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    Default Anything to do about soft white hooves?

    My QH gelding has two front white feet. They are incredibly soft, always cracking and it seems his shoes are constantly tearing them apart! He has been on hoof supplements in the past but due to budget I tried to cut it out. His shoes have clips. Is there any hope for those poor white hooves? Or am I just better off to suck it up and try to find someway to put him on a supplement?



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    Color is not a factor in hoof quality.Things that need evaluating are nutrition, environment (kind of stabling , extremes in moisture, exercise, breed/bloodlines (nothing you can do about that one) , and quality and frequency of farrier work. Got any pictures? .
    Patty Stiller CNBBT,CNBF,CLS, CE
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    Aren't there differences between how white and black feet absorb/handle moisture in the environment? I can't remember which is which, but one handles wet conditions better than the other. If it has been wet in your area, it might help to find drier conditions. I had similar problems with a mare that had two white front feet. I always thought they were too soft (ya know, because they are white), but perhaps her problems stemmed more from being steep than from being soft. She wore her toes down to nubs if ridden much barefoot. Shoes helped preserve the correct angle, but they could be tough to keep on.

    I, too, would like to see pics. But brace yourself for the arguing that is likely to occur.



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    The best thing I did for my horse, who has 4 shelly, brittle feet (that we are still working on...) was to go barefoot. I just say this because he was always throwing shoes, and putting holes in the feet just seemed to give him another place to tear them up when the holes grew out. The farrier just pulled them and he's been only trimmed now for about 1.5 years. He does way better this way, although it's still not ideal feet and we're still working on getting them good.



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    Try one of the Keretex products either Hoof Hardner or Hoof Gel. Check them out on the www.keretex.com website. Helped my OTTB to get his in shape.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Songsmom View Post
    Try one of the Keretex products either Hoof Hardner or Hoof Gel. Check them out on the www.keretex.com website. Helped my OTTB to get his in shape.
    Ditto the Keratex products...I *think* it's with an "A".



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    OMG - Dune - you are right

    Better information will be found on www.keratex.com. (Having a DUH day!)

    Songsmom



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    Quote Originally Posted by Patty Stiller View Post
    Color is not a factor in hoof quality.
    I wonder where/why the old axiom/poem "One white foot, buy him; two white feet, try him; three white feet deny him; four white feet and a strip on his nose , pull off his hide and hang it on the fence for the crows ...." came from.



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    Another vote for Keratex



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    Quote Originally Posted by Patty Stiller View Post
    Color is not a factor in hoof quality.Things that need evaluating are nutrition, environment (kind of stabling , extremes in moisture, exercise, breed/bloodlines (nothing you can do about that one) , and quality and frequency of farrier work. Got any pictures? .
    So how come horses with one white hoof in front often have splaying, crumbling, flattening issues on that foot only? I've seen this quite a bit over the years... And I'm not talking about the high/lo syndrome that you can see in front feet.



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    I kinda agree with Patty. I don't see a difference between white or black hooves. I've always considered it an old wives tale that there was a difference because of color.

    Each of my horses has at least one or two white hooves. When I used to have them shod, I never lost shoes off the white feet vs the black. They are all barefoot now and when I trim them, The white hooves are just as hard as the dark hooves. They take just as much pressure from the nippers to cut and my rasp bounces off just easily when they are dry and hard and cuts just as easily when they have been standing in mud.

    You will have much more differences in a hoof based on what they have been standing in/on, the family history of good feet and the diet than you ever will because of color.



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    The environment your horse is in has a lot to do with it, as well as how dedicated you are about hoof care. I use Venice turpentine on the soles to act as a hardener every day. On the outside I put a moisturizer solution. I feel the moisturizer keeps "good" moisture in, but protects the hoof from the wet outside conditions.
    no hoof, no horse unfortunately.



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    Keep them as clean and dry as possible - Venice Turpentine on soles, Keratex around the nail holes and a conditioning cream on coronary band and heels.

    Don't put them in the stall with wet feet - keep a towel outside your stall for whoever bring them in from turnout, especially if they go out at night.

    Farrier's Formula will also help but it could take up to a year to see final results.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Rick Burten View Post
    I wonder where/why the old axiom/poem "One white foot, buy him; two white feet, try him; three white feet deny him; four white feet and a strip on his nose , pull off his hide and hang it on the fence for the crows ...." came from.
    I've always loved white feet, probably because I practically grew up with the mare mentioned above--had her for 22 years until she had a stroke and needed to be put down.

    I seem to recall hearing (sorry, no refs) that under a microscope, the only difference between white and black/brown feet was pigmentation. There was speculation about one or the other handling wet conditions better. Not that it matters, unless the OP's horse is having hoof problems due to either too much or not enough moisture in the environment.

    I've had mixed results with Keratex, but it seems like it would be worth a try.



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    My old endurance horse has 2 white feet and I never had a problem with them. They grew well, didn't get hard so they chipped and always held a shoe.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Rick Burten View Post
    I wonder where/why the old axiom/poem "One white foot, buy him; two white feet, try him; three white feet deny him; four white feet and a strip on his nose , pull off his hide and hang it on the fence for the crows ...." came from.
    There is no difference.

    It's like many a wives tale, full of bunk. Actually I'm a tad surprised you would believe this:/ Given your profession and related experience?

    The color of a horse's hoof due to the pigmentation(color) of the skin above it, nothing else. It's not weaker/stronger or otherwise 'bad'.

    Even a hall of famer farrier John Burt agrees.

    So does Doug Butler P.H.D. (Author of the principles of horseshoeing?) who did a study on it. He found that genetics & moisture content were more a cause of brittle feet then white or black.

    My only homemade example I have is.
    The only competitng endurance horse I have on the farm at the moment who is running 50's barefoot,(everyone else is shod this year) - has all white feet. Hmm.
    Quote Originally Posted by ExJumper View Post
    Sometimes I'm thrown off, sometimes I'm bucked off, sometimes I simply fall off, and sometimes I go down with the ship. All of these are valid ways to part company with your horse.



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    Another vote for Keratex...but I use it more than perscribed...daily on those with crappy feet. Makes a huge difference. Also try to keep them dry...always towel off thoroughly after bathing, turnout, etc.



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    Have used Farriers Formula since Dub came to me at 16 mos. old. Used Keratex around that time when it rained for 3 mos. and half the farm had abscesses. Would then use it (the hoof hardener, not the gel) when it appeared it was going to be rainy again. Haven't used it regularly for a couple of years now - Dub's 6. Vet and farrier say she has best feet around. Not shod. She has 4 white legs, but "ermine" around each foot and they are black. She's TB/Paint and could have bigger feet, but they're good ones. Previous mare had 4 white feet and was an Appy. Good feet. Also many, many years of Farriers Formula. I used diff types of topical hoof stuff on her, but nothing on Dub. I see people use the oily stuff on terribly cracked feet and they don't seem to get anywhere. I agree the wet/dry conditions matter a lot and whether the horse spends time inside - it seems to help.



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    Quote Originally Posted by rainechyldes View Post
    Actually I'm a tad surprised you would believe this:/ Given your profession and related experience?
    Who said I believed it?



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    My mare has one white foot and it is the oddball; it grows more steeply than her other front hoof and is always the tougher foot to fit shoes. But my vet did tell me that it was a wive's tale about white hooves being softer. He did test them both the first time he came here; I think he likes to conduct field research, too.

    I will say that the white hoof being the "odd" foot makes it more obvious. I wonder if that plays a part in some of the old wives tales?



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