Jun. 10, 2009, 07:10 PM
Arrrrghhh I took my horse XC schooling 2 weeks ago and when he jumped off the bank, (like he has done a million times) he landed wrong, dont know how, but I felt it immediately he trotted off a bit lame and then seemed to work out of it, well I thought. He is better now but still not 100%. Had the vet look at him everything flexed great, and sound, front and back joints, so the conclusion is his shoulder, which I can feel when I ride him, It also takes about 10 minutes of work before he shows any symptoms, he is just not coming completely thru with his left shoulder.
Has anyone had anything similar happen to their horse and how long did it actually take to be 100% again??
So far I have lost 2 entries to this
Jun. 10, 2009, 07:21 PM
Um... and your horse isn't feeling that great to boot. I'm sure you didn't mean to put your lost entries above your horse's well being in your priorities... right?
So far I have lost 2 entries to this
Jun. 10, 2009, 07:52 PM
"he's better now but not 100%"...yet you are complaining that you can feel the injury when you ride him and that he is not thru
And you are complaining of already losing two entries...tough luck chicken!! I would be more concerned with getting my horse sound again then be bitching about STILL not being right after two weeks (though you continue to ride him) and your lost entries....
Jun. 10, 2009, 07:58 PM
I've seen shoulder injuries take years to rehab and heal completely...be glad its not something more serious!
Yes, losing money on entries stinks. Worse than that losing your horse to an injury that you didn't bother to take the time to properly heal and rehab. Its extremely important with a soft tissue injury that you take the time to heal it right the first time. Whether it be bruising of the muscle, or worse, a small tear of the fibrous tissues in the shoulder, by riding too much and trying to come back too quickly you can seriously exacerbate a problem that might heal easily on it's own. Remember, there's a lot of weight on those front legs! Take the time now to help him heal and you'll have a horse that won't miss another entry in the future.
Jun. 10, 2009, 08:27 PM
Originally Posted by QuillcoteFarm
I have to question your vet's logic. While it may indeed be the shoulder, it could still easily be something in the lower limb, particularly the foot, which is the most common cause of front end lameness. Shoulder injuries are fairly rare, although they do happen. Negative flexions do NOT rule out the lower leg. The only way to rule out the lower leg is with nerve blocks working your way up the leg to show you exactly where the pain is coming from.
And you need to know exactly what is going on where before you know the prognosis. I would recommend finding another vet who specializes in lamensss.
Jun. 10, 2009, 09:16 PM
The only shoulder injury I've ever dealt with took 4+ months off to rehab and my horse at the time never did quite walk the same way again. When walking and really bopping along (he was short, yet could keep up with the big boys), he was short-strided on that leg. If you didn't know him and his history, you would wonder if he was lame. Shoulder injuries bite
Jun. 10, 2009, 10:42 PM
Yep, its cheaper in the long run to have a specialist find out exactly what the problem is, ASAP. And, you know, also a better chance the horse will recover if you know what youre dealing with right away so you can treat it appropriately.
Originally Posted by lstevenson
Jun. 10, 2009, 10:46 PM
For horses with neck and shoulder problems, I've had great success with a vet that does chiro/accupuncture.
(Please note I said VET, not 'cowboy guy who cracks joints.')
Jun. 10, 2009, 10:54 PM
Don't jinx her! This horse has 3 other legs and one other shoulder. These animals can go to sleep in an eiderdown padded stall and wake up lame, as my trainer growing up would say.
Originally Posted by HrsJmpr81
I agree with everyone else though - it's one thing for a horse to be sore or a bit off for a couple days after taking a wrong step, but when it's lasted this long you're dealing with something serious, so get it pinpointed quickly so that your horse can heal up and you can get back to training instead of worrying about how long you'll have during your ride before he starts to show pain. And also remember, most of these animals are incredibly stoic. Just because it takes 10 minutes into the ride for him to move poorly enough for you to notice it, doesn't mean he's not hurting 100% of the time.
Jun. 11, 2009, 09:25 AM
....wow. Could you refrain from lashing out at people. I mean its quite pointless and obnoxious. I'm just sayin'
Originally Posted by snoopy
That sucks about your horse. Maybe he'll get better soon. Have you tried a chiropractic adjustment for him? That could definitely help get him back.
Jun. 11, 2009, 09:45 AM
Ok Never mind people, putting your own spin on things and putting words in my mouth, Iam not even going to respond to any specifics.
My horse is my first concern. I never said I have been riding him, and it was not a major accident, just a mis-step, and he is much better.
He has had a specific diagnosis and been seen my his regular massuse.
I just thought I would see if anyone else has had any similar stories.
Dont know why everyone is so hostile?
Jun. 11, 2009, 09:46 AM
Yes! I would get your horse to a chiro ASAP! From personal experience - if the horse isn't "lame" somewhere in the lower leg it is *most likely* higher up. I've had 2 vets tell me this, so it's not something I made up myself
In my case, my gelding was NQR and had him seen by THREE different vets. Finally the last vet - who specializes in chiro/acupuncture and chinese meds - adjusted him.....and low and behold he was immediately better. Mind you I still had to bring him back in to work slowly. He had been off for two weeks. She was worried about the adjustment holding and strengthing his back muscles so that it wouldn't happen again...I followed her directions to a T and so far (KNOCK ON WOOD) the pony has been fine.
Jun. 11, 2009, 09:50 AM
Thank you that is the kind of advise I was looking for. I do have Dr. Katz coming next week to look at him and another boarder, he is a chiro and massuse
Jun. 11, 2009, 09:56 AM
Had the vet look at him everything flexed great, and sound, front and back joints, so the conclusion is his shoulder, which I can feel when I ride him, It also takes about 10 minutes of work before he shows any symptoms, he is just not coming completely thru with his left shoulder.
Because you did say you were riding him. People get defensive and hostile when the health of a horse is at stake. Hope you have the patience for a complete recovery.
Jun. 11, 2009, 09:58 AM
Yikes - I thought I was feeling cranky this morning.
She's upset about her horse and wants to know if anyone else has had similar injuries. Stating that she's lost a couple of entries is, in my mind, just a statement of disappointment - out for 2 events, and who knows how long. And whoever said "shoulder injuries can take years, be glad it's not something serious" Um, if an injury that takes a years to recover isn't serious, what IS !?
Jun. 11, 2009, 10:08 AM
Originally Posted by harveyhorses
Yup I have done 10 minutes of work 2 times (once last week and once this week)as a way to monitor what is going on because it is so slight it cant be seen, by even an educated eye! It takes about 10 minutes before I can feel anything, and it is VERY slight, then I get off him, I never said I continue to ride!
Jun. 11, 2009, 12:50 PM
Originally Posted by Maya01
Wow...yes I "could".
"quite pointless and obnoxious"....rather like your post "lashing out" at me
I'm just sayin'
to the OP:
My concern would be to source out the problem instead of worring about two last entries. If indeed a shoulder/tissue injury then one needs to be careful with exercise until fully healed.
In any event, this is a bummer. Hope you are able to find some answers.
Jun. 11, 2009, 01:38 PM
Ah, the kind of advice you were looking for. You know, the answer you want to hear.
Originally Posted by QuillcoteFarm
Jun. 11, 2009, 01:41 PM
Originally Posted by Hilary
Which is hard to compare since the OP doesnt have a concrete diagnosis, just a guess by a general vet. General vets are not lameness specialists, you cant expect them to be.
Jun. 11, 2009, 02:17 PM
Speaking directly from experience here...
Originally Posted by Hilary
Horses can have chronic neck/shoulder issues just like humans. I'm not talking acute injury, I'm talking about those neck issues people get from working on computers, shoulder issues from sleeping wrong, etc.
About 15 years ago, I acquired a QH in his late teens who'd be on 3 legs every few days due to a C4-C5 issue. He'd hold his RF off the ground and out to the side and hop around. There was nothing wrong with his leg or foot but by the time I got him, he'd been 'diagnosed' with 'navicular' (the idiot vet told me it was the kind of navicular that didn't show up on x-rays ), mostly because it was the issue du jour and he was a QH.
I had a vet do chiro and accupuncture (including the long needle) on him every 2 months at first. The visits -- over several years -- got farther apart, until he really didn't have the neck issue any more. But it did take years and if you'd seen him on his off days, you'd have thought there was something seriously wrong with him.
(The QH is now 31 and has legs like a 3 year-old, still gallops around and bucks in the pasture. He is an unrepentant rogue, however, and I suspect the neck problems came from his propensity to rip posts out of the ground, break cross-ties and destroy fencing. This wasn't about panic or training; he just likes to break stuff. We don't give him those opportunities anymore. )
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