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    Default Rice Bran and Arsenic?

    to those of you who feed their horse rice bran, and know about how in august of 2008, they found alarmingly high amounts of INorganic arsenic in rice bran.

    and went as far as to say rice bran contains the highest inorganic arsenic content of all widely available commercial rice products.


    do you still feed it?

    i'm looking for something to give my horse a little extra something (and NO its not arsenic LOL ), and was thinking about the rice bran but have been debating this since august of 2008 lol

    LINK: http://www.newscientist.com/article/...s-arsenic.html

    you can also googe rice bran + arsenic it A LOT of articles will come up.



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    nobody?



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    Been discussed before. Conclusion was this was a non-issue. Don't remember exactly why ... maybe the only rice bran that was high in arsenic was grown in China & the rice bran fed here is grown here or something like that? I just remember the conclusion was that this was NOT something to bother worrying about.



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    I actually stopped feeding a product I was using that contained rice bran when those studies came out. I'm now using corn oil and flax seed for the coat and extra calories.



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    in august of 2008, they found alarmingly high amounts of INorganic arsenic in rice bran
    Who are "they", in this case? I've heard fourth-hand of this but have never bothered to track down the actual data and draw conclusions.

    Been feeding rice bran and flax seed for years, without a problem. Not on my "worry radar".
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    Quote Originally Posted by dwblover View Post
    I actually stopped feeding a product I was using that contained rice bran when those studies came out. I'm now using corn oil and flax seed for the coat and extra calories.
    Well flax seed does contain quite a bit of a cyanide like compound so not totally harmless either .



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    Rice bran contains both of the elements that can mix to make arsenic. It doesn't actually contain the arsenic. That's why it's not good to soak the bran first, because that does actually create arsenic. But even then if you're feeding less than 2 lbs per day it shouldn't be an issue because the amount would be a trace amount. Some folks boil the bran first, and this takes the arsenic ingredients out, but it also makes the arsenic first and then it catches you in the face when you breathe the steam, so not great. Basically feeding rice bran either fresh or stabilized is perfectly fine as long as you're keeping it <2lbs per day. There are trace amounts of arsenic in an awful lot of stuff out there - including our water. And some folks actually feed horses small amounts of arsenic to whet appetite. And because of the chemistry, arsenic doesn't build up in tissue, so if the animal doesn't die immediately then it's not going to die because of arsenic (unless it gets a lethal dose at one time in the future).



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    After discovering that flax is a highly no-no food for my girl I switched to rice bran. She has been on it for almost 2 years. This is the first I've heard of the arsenic thing, so I'll just put my head right back in the sand, thank you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by evans36 View Post
    Rice bran contains both of the elements that can mix to make arsenic. It doesn't actually contain the arsenic. That's why it's not good to soak the bran first, because that does actually create arsenic. . . .
    Well, aresenic IS AN ELEMENT. No way that two elements can mix to make arsenic. Not possible chemically.

    Some folks boil the bran first, and this takes the arsenic ingredients out, but it also makes the arsenic first and then it catches you in the face when you breathe the steam, so not great. . . .
    There are no aresenic ingredients. Arsenic is an element. It is either there or it is not there. Whether or not arsenic can evaporate with the water (steam) so you could breathe it, I do not know but I would think that arsenic, a metalic element, would be a whole lot less volatile than water.

    And because of the chemistry, arsenic doesn't build up in tissue, so if the animal doesn't die immediately then it's not going to die because of arsenic (unless it gets a lethal dose at one time in the future).
    I find it a little hard to believe that arsenic doesn't "build up" in the body. In fact, that is supposedly what killed Phar Lap (because, yes, the one thing in your post that was correct is that arsenic is an old remedy for a poor appetite).



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    There are soooo many feding options out there why not just try something else instead of worrying? My horse gets ultium and beet pulp he does great with that and he is a hard keeper.



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    Quote Originally Posted by superD View Post
    There are soooo many feding options out there why not just try something else instead of worrying? My horse gets ultium and beet pulp he does great with that and he is a hard keeper.
    BUT the fifth item on the ingredients list for Ultium is RICE BRAN. Thus, you do NOT avoid feeding rice bran by feeding Ultium because Ultium is a rice bran based horse food. Now what?



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    The samples of rice tested last year were from the US, China, and the EU.

    Only China has published acceptable levels of arsenic for rice (whether they follow those guidelines is another matter).

    The UK just issued a warning against rice milk for infants and toddlers due to the cyanide content.

    The question that comes to mind is why is the cyanide concentration in rice higher now than it was 30 years ago?



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    Quote Originally Posted by Spiritpaws View Post
    . . . . Only China has published acceptable levels of arsenic for rice (whether they follow those guidelines is another matter).

    The UK just issued a warning against rice milk for infants and toddlers due to the cyanide content.

    The question that comes to mind is why is the cyanide concentration in rice higher now than it was 30 years ago?
    The question that comes to my mind is: are BOTH arsenic AND cyanide found in rice?? They are NOT the same. We have been discussing arsenic & you start discussing arsenic, then you change to cyanide. Please clarify.

    And what makes you think the cyanide concentration in rice is higher than it was 30 years ago? Do you have any evidence of that? How about comparisons for arsenic concentrations in rice?



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    Rice bran contains both of the elements that can mix to make arsenic. It doesn't actually contain the arsenic. That's why it's not good to soak the bran first, because that does actually create arsenic. . . .
    Cool. Alchemy! After all these centuries, those evil feed companies have figured out how to do it! Next step: base metal into gold.
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    Quote Originally Posted by deltawave View Post
    Cool. Alchemy! After all these centuries, those evil feed companies have figured out how to do it! Next step: base metal into gold.

    Mere alchemy? I was thinking maybe nucular fushin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spiritpaws View Post
    The samples of rice tested last year were from the US, China, and the EU.

    Only China has published acceptable levels of arsenic for rice (whether they follow those guidelines is another matter).

    The UK just issued a warning against rice milk for infants and toddlers due to the cyanide content.

    The question that comes to mind is why is the cyanide concentration in rice higher now than it was 30 years ago?

    yep there were actually a couple samples from diffrent states/companies in the study. including a sample from ohio (where i live) ...which is what concerned me.



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    Quote Originally Posted by deltawave View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spiritpaws View Post
    The samples of rice tested last year were from the US, China, and the EU.

    Only China has published acceptable levels of arsenic for rice (whether they follow those guidelines is another matter).

    The UK just issued a warning against rice milk for infants and toddlers due to the cyanide content.

    The question that comes to mind is why is the cyanide concentration in rice higher now than it was 30 years ago?
    Arsenic and cyanide are not the same thing, so this is a bit confusing!

    And higher levels can just mean that we have better ways of detecting and measuring them now.

    Arsenic was used in the old days as a horse tonic. Low chronic arsenic supplementation produces a very glossy shiny coat (and hair in humans), if you are on a low chronic arsenic intake it's stopping it cold turkey that will kill you! and has done before.
    Very low levels are not usually a problem

    Neither is low levels of cyanide in fact. Cyanide is commonly found in many plants (look at the levels in alfalfa or clover) the liver is well set up to deal with cyanide. It's only if the levels get too high that problem start to occur.


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    Quote Originally Posted by evans36 View Post
    Rice bran contains both of the elements that can mix to make arsenic. It doesn't actually contain the arsenic. That's why it's not good to soak the bran first, because that does actually create arsenic. But even then if you're feeding less than 2 lbs per day it shouldn't be an issue because the amount would be a trace amount. Some folks boil the bran first, and this takes the arsenic ingredients out, but it also makes the arsenic first and then it catches you in the face when you breathe the steam, so not great. Basically feeding rice bran either fresh or stabilized is perfectly fine as long as you're keeping it <2lbs per day. There are trace amounts of arsenic in an awful lot of stuff out there - including our water. And some folks actually feed horses small amounts of arsenic to whet appetite. And because of the chemistry, arsenic doesn't build up in tissue, so if the animal doesn't die immediately then it's not going to die because of arsenic (unless it gets a lethal dose at one time in the future).
    You mean FLAX SEED has both things necessary to make CYANIDE - the seed when wet or heated the two components join and form CYANIDE. Which is why it is boiled or cooked prior to giving it to a horse, however the horses stomach acid will start breaking the components down before they make cyanide if the seed is fed. I've never heard of anyone boiling rice bran.

    There is cyanide in the air we breathe.



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