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    Default Breeders: Do you ever let your best foals go for less to show homes?

    Hi there,

    I'm just wondering if breeders let their best foals go for less to insure they go into show homes? Or...do you stick to your price based on the quality of the foal? I personally have let a few of my best foals go at really great prices to insure they went into serious show homes. I'm just wondering what other breeders think of this practice. TIA
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    To GOOD homes that will show and/or DO things with them, I will do the best deal I can, and possibly then still take some more off. I'm kind of leery of 'big' show homes because it seems (to me) like there is more of a risk of the horse being sold on and sold on etc.

    You can't beat a horse getting out and about for word-of-mouth advertising.

    There is nothing wrong with a backyard pet--and I've placed a couple in FABULOUS homes where they are loved to death--but especially if the program is new or it's a young stallion just getting his foals on the ground... the right sale is the world's best advertising IMO.
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    And I must be frank; with Bravo as a new stallion, I have given killer deals on the best of his foals to get them into show homes. I'm just wondering what other breeders think of this practice.

    Thank you Pintopiaffe: that has been my thought, "the right sale is the Worlds best advertising".
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    Absolutely.



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    Ug, reread my answer, and I don't mean that if a really BNT wanted one I would say no... but... I *might* be tempted to charge them my original price Then of course how many BNTs actually OWN the horses they are riding. If I didn't have to (or could) foot the bill of having a top-top rider on MY horse... OF COURSE!!!

    No, seriously, I honestly don't think any one of us would say no to a top-top-show home...

    But I guess for me there's this sort of middle place 'professional show' barn thing that worries me... Of course I want them out there winning--but I also care soooo deeply about their wellbeing and mind and soul... and not every 'show' home is the same... and a long term home, I think, is what most of us wish for.

    Does that make any sense? It's hard to articulate for me.

    The IDEAL home for me is one where they are loved and worshiped AND get out and about. For that, I would (and have) practically given them away. I have given two away to the right place at the right time, just paying it forward... My kids have never done less than respectably against any and all competition... but they've got to get OUT there--and I am not doing them justice in that regard... then the word of mouth about the moonlight trail rides and the XC schooling and clinics and such are also fabulous... So it's just the *right* home for that horse, I'll move heaven and earth to make it happen, including payments, lease, etc.
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    I used to but have since stopped that practice after a couple times the BNT negotiated a lower price and then resold the horse right away to a client/rider where the horse went on to do local hunters. Not that the horse did not get a nice home or anything.....but no benefit to ME to lower the price so the BNT can just get the horse cheaper for a client doing the locals either. So....now the price is what it is....no matter who you are......



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    Not only that, but we do good deals to friends too!
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    We definitely give substantial discounts to good show homes!
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    I offer discounts to show homes, and also 4H and FFA homes. If they get out there I don't care who takes them there, as long as it's a good home.
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    I sold two Dutch/TB fillies for $7500 for both to an up and coming jumper rider. He turned around and sold them within a couple of months. I never heard of them again. No credit for me. Fortunately they were fillies so I hope their papers went with them with my name on them but I never heard.

    I sold another youngster for a great deal to a show home. Part of the package was for her to help me with my supplement and insurance businesses. Nothing ever came of that. At least she is out showing, and visible, but no business has come from it.



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    I feel the way pintopiaff does; I am leery of show homes. I have sold quite a few young horses and most of them went to homes where maybe they would be shown but primarily they were bought by someone as a future riding horse. A couple of years ago I sold a riding age horse, and he most definitely went to a show home. Frankly the life of a show horse, or at least most of them, and his, isn't nearly as nice as that of a horse who is someone's significant other, and now I would be much more likely to discount to a home I felt was wonderful, rather than a show home.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VirginiaBred View Post
    Not only that, but we do good deals to friends too!
    On THAT note we do give deals to friends and previous customers....but that is a different topic.



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    I will definatly offer discounts to show homes, especially if I have another foal coming from the same cross.
    What you can offer to a buyers that you feel may be asking for the discount only to resale in a few months is a rebate after foal has shown. This could help weed out buyers that are not serious about campaigning your foal which in turn promotes your breeding program. And that would be my whole purpose for the discount in the first place.
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    I have sold quite a few of ours to very good show homes,that competed and won EXTENSIVELY in the 3'6" hunters and NOTHING of any benefit to us ever came of it. Only one of those would even tell the USEF I was breeder when they started showing( and that one owned a horse late in a horse's 10 Year national level career), luckily I had kept copies of the papers and sent them to USEF to get added as breeder, even though the horses names had been changed in several cases.

    One of my homebreds is very high profile right now, and is being used by the SO for advertising, as well as being featured in magazines and articles,,, NONE of those ( or the owner either) even suggests to add our name as the breeder. To me it is very frustrating, so we are extremely conservative now before we give any special consideration to ANYONE who makes these promises , as I have never had them come through...

    I do have more faith in some of the Dressage homes, as I have had many riders who bought homebreds of ours when they were upper level contact us for early history and to tell us they had them and how cherished they are.

    We DO do great deals also with return customers and those who have already proven to do well by our horses.
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    I'm wondering... I register all of my foals with the USEF right away (so I can check up on them ect mainly) so wouldn't the "breeder" be recognized in that respect?

    I should go check, I'll edit my post if I'm wrong, lol...

    Although, I give discounts currently as I am new/small breeder. Once you cross over as a "well respected" or proven breeder I would think you certainly have a right to stay firm on prices. Or, as many of you are saying, do it selectively. I've learned through others that it doesn't typically work out the way we want it to. Though Mr. Taylor can have one of my ponies ANYDAY, lol.

    I for one got my best mare from a friend, of course priced as so . Bred her as a 3 yr old (Hano - as she is Elite elligible and I wanted to get that first foal out the way so I can focus on training)... And of course I'm only going to Fox Hunt, trail ride and the like, and do a "little" Hunter showing until I get her back into breeding again (I have to show as a pro for now - Grr)... But, she's got a great home!
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    Yes, I particularly offer discounts to return buyers and to folks who are "using" type owners. I LOVE to see my babies placed in good homes and while I'll never get rich, I do have a lot of satisfaction getting lots of photos like this one!

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    Those are wonderful photos!!! I must put as a side note that an Lipazzon mare is in the process of adopting a orphan from Phoenix Farm and she is absolsutely amazing. 20 years old, dam of 9, great conformation, superb terperament. Amazing mare!!!
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    Show homes are flattering for a breeder, absolutely! But remember, they are become resales. The goal for the buyer being to put the "goods" on a youngster to sell it ... not necessarily, at the end of the profit endeavor, will your baby go to reside permanently to a show home or even a good home, for that matter.

    I give deep discounts to breeders who have stellar mares for the sole purpose of hopefully getting offspring as good as and hopefully better than their parents. In fact, I've found most of owners who've bred to my stallions are seasoned competitors and are looking to keep them for competition. As a breeder, that is the best scenario.

    Those who purport to be "show farms" can woo novice breeders into dumbing down their prices on a really good youngster for the thrill of a having a breeder believe their youngsters as super speciall --when in fact most bonafide show farms will pay top price for young horses. In fact, most often above market when they see a really, really good show prospect they want to keep for themselves or a client who they train.
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    We have and then when the people have gotten them, they have told us that we should have never sold them based on the quality. I'm just glad that we can make someone happy and they can have a good chance in the show ring.
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