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  1. #1
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    Default Blue Hors Matin

    anyone know if she is going to compete again, or if she has any embryo transfer babies?



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    She's doing aquatraining in Germany
    http://www.eurodressage.com/reports/...04-hansen.html
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    So there is actually a hope that she can be back in training and to shows?



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    I am out of the loop what had happened to her? I assume some type of injury?



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    2006 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKQgTiqhPbw
    2007 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eufBS...eature=related

    2007 http://www.horsesdaily.com/news/show...18-matine.html
    Injury Cited as Reason for Blue Hors Matine's Withdrawal from Dressage Competition at 2007 Rolex FEI World Cup Finals

    2008 then that: http://www.eurodressage.com/reports/...rk_matine.htmlAndreas Helgstrand will not be riding Blue Hors Matine in the 2008 Hong Kong Olympic Games. Blue Hors stud manager Esben Møller notifed the Danish Equestrian Fedeation that the grey Danish Warmblood mare is not fit enough for the Games.

    2009 http://www.eurodressage.com/reports/...04-hansen.html so now she is still in re-hab? I don't really know if the 2007 trailer injury was so bad that she is still re-habing for 2+ years or she had more injuries???



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    Quote Originally Posted by Dressage Art View Post
    2009 http://www.eurodressage.com/reports/...04-hansen.html so now she is still in re-hab? I don't really know if the 2007 trailer injury was so bad that she is still re-habing for 2+ years or she had more injuries???
    well ya never know.
    My horse stubbed his toe last year.
    That was 11 months ago and still in re-hab.

    It can take years. : (
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    Is the video quality deteriorating from so many views?

    Seems to be getting choppy.



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    Wow I hope she gets back! What a beautiful girl!



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    Quote Originally Posted by Dressage Art View Post
    I don't really know if the 2007 trailer injury was so bad that she is still re-habing for 2+ years or she had more injuries???
    At that level no horse ever has a performance related injury
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    Cool

    I tend to agree with DressageArt and would think that the mare is a very generous type that will do it all...while the training program she was in was very/too demanding and thus she ended up on top at age 8/9 and did not last too long thereafter.
    I hope in less demanding hands, once healed she might flourish again- although you never know the real extent of injury from the accident and or other damage.
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    some people would say that it is the price you pay for overpushing a young horse. It was all too soon too quick and now she's been off for TWO years!
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    Some people will say it, but it's also true that some horses just get injured and then they have chronic issues after the injury, and that not all injuries can be perfectly healed. If you dislike someone you can say it's their fault, they pushed too hard and they caused it, this is a common thing to say.

    My own thought is that in the elite side of the industry young horses receive a lot of early work. A lightbodied, athletic, compact horse with exceptional balance ('easy on himself') and lots of bone, big joints and good sized feet is in a better position to withstand it, and maybe it is just choosing to miss a few shows and training a little easy and being a little bit conservative and cautious, during that 'not so fit and starting the GP work' period.

    Many people ADORE that video of Matine's exhibition under lights, and during the whole thing, I was thinking, good lord, stop already, it is enough piaffe and passage. It just went on and on...people are clapping and so excited. I think it can be overdone if that happens again and again. A horse trainer/owner should never give in to such a thing again and again.

    The public can go hang if they feel their stars must do that again and again. THis is not a circus and the horse is not a machine. The public needs to change their thinking and quit demanding these things.

    THe horse does not belong to 'the public', and it is not a circus performer, it is an athlete. Come to think of it even in the circus the horses would not be made to do such a thing over and over.

    My friend's upper level horse slipped in turnout and injured a ligament in her ankle, it was a lameness that even a veterinarian could not see and it was very subtle, horse was never obviously lame, but clearly there was something and upper level work is a very athletic pursuit and even something less expereinced people have a hard time detecting can be a career stopping issue.

    They spent several years rehabilitating her - lots of different treatments, periods of layup, periods of hopefulness.

    The ligament injury changed the dynamics of how the joint worked. The horse developed sesamoiditis and cartilage problems. THe original injury was healed, yes, medically it was healed perfectly, but it changed how force was distributed through the joint at every stride and as time went on other problems cropped up.

    I don't think this is at all unusual, in fact. We can heal a specific point of injury, but we can't change if that affects how the entire joint functions. This is just not something we understand fully and it might never, ever change. It means simply that not all injuries can be fixed.

    We also can't change that the refitting period is an extremely chancy one when the horse's muscles, tendons and ligaments are soft and weak after a period of layoff. So many horses are simply reinjured during that period of time, just because they play up, leap or even if nothing dramatic happens they can so easily be reinjured.

    Then you are really struggling and you have another injury to deal with. It can become like a snowball.

    Now that we have treatments like shock wave and very good anti-inflammatory agents, we can do a lot, but we still can not fix everything, and if a ligament is in the least bit shortened or stiffened it can change how the entire joint works. For example one of our ponies injured a ligament and with that perfectly healed, the way the joint function had changed very subtly, that caused a defect in the cartilage that had been there since he was a baby, to start being irritated. No more driving pony.

    So people try to rehab but not all injuries can be perfectly removed or have no other effects.
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