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  1. #1
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    Default 3rd level Trakehner in NJ -- Free Lease *UPDATE in OP 6/30*

    Hello!

    I am looking for someone to either half or full free lease my second horse. She is super special, extra loving, very gentle, and just the best personality you could ask for. She is safe, sane, sound, and trustworthy. She has been there, done that, everything from local shows to Dressage at Devon.

    She has solid and correct basics, amazing ground manners, and is such a sweetheart.

    She would need to stay at the facility where she is currently boarded in Howell, NJ. The facility is beautiful. Indoor and 2 outdoor arenas, heated/AC tack room, lounge, bathroom, hot and cold water wash stalls, all the extras. USDF and German Federation Gold Medalist Grand Prix resident trainer at the barn for training and lessons. I would be open to her being shown this season as well.


    13 y.o. Trakehner mare
    Beautiful liver chestnut with dapples
    Schooled through 3rd level
    Shown successfully through 2nd level
    Sound and in regular work
    Many local series year-end championships and GMO year end awards


    Although this is a free lease, there will be an expectation for the person leasing to pay a share of the costs associated with board and upkeep. No fee or charge for leasing, but sharing expenses will be necessary.

    What more can I say? She is wonderful. I need to find someone to help with expenses and her exercise....so this is a great opportunity for the right person.

    PM me for more details or with any questions.....

    Thanks!
    Kelly



    UPDATE: 6/30/09:

    Hello again!!

    The 6-month lease contract I had for Missy is expiring, and due to the econonmy, the leasor can not continue, and I'll need to find a new full- or half-lease situation.

    If you are interested, please PM or post here!!

    Thanks so much!
    Kelly
    Last edited by Kelly in NJ; Jun. 30, 2009 at 09:53 AM.



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    She is 16.1 hands. Forgot to say that!



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    Kelly,

    Sorry to say but what you describe does not fall within the confines of what most would consider a 'free lease.' If you are asking for $, it is NOT a 'free lease.' It would be best to be clearer from the outset that you are looking to share the expenses on your horse in exchange for riding privileges.

    Not a criticism. Just a suggestion.
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    Actually, Zen, it's quite common to pay expenses on a horse you lease. Most of the time there is a separate lease fee, without which a lease is considered a "free lease." It is very generous of Kelly to offer her accomplished mare under such conditions.
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    HiJump, Thank you very much. She is a lovely mare and this will sure be a wonderful opportunity for someone.

    Actually, I already have found someone who will at least be riding her 3 days per week and sharing expenses. For the right person, a half-board type agreement may be still be a possibility.

    Zen, As per the forum rules, any ads in the "giveaways" must be pre-approved by the mods, which my post was. For reference, you can always check the "Giveaway Forum FAQs", where it states:

    "You may offer a horse for FREE lease -- in other words, no lease fee will be charged. (It's fine to ask the person leasing the horse to take over its expenses.)"


    Zen, I'm sorry, but I have never heard of a situation where a competitive dressage or hunter/jumper horse was offered up to a rider without any sort of contribution to the expenses of the horse. In most cases, a horse like this mare would require the person leasing the horse to cover all expenses (board, vet, shoes, supplements, insurance, etc.) as well as pay the owner a fee to use the horse for a set amount of time (usually this rate is a percentage of the horse's value). Because I love this mare, will never sell her, and simply could use some help with time/money, I am willing to keep her in my care and cover all insurance, vet and emergency expenses and would only like a contribution to her regular board and shoes. No fee for leasing. In a free lease, in effect, you get the horse for free, as if she was given to you and you now take over the expenses. (but in this case, not even all expenses, and I retain ownership).

    Thanks again for everyone who has shown interest, and PMed. I can not allow her to be kept other than at the farm where she is currently boarded, however. I'm not willing to let her out of my daily sight. I also want her to continue in her current training program. Once my older schoolmaster retires, she will become my primary horse again. Also, she is a saint and child-safe, but I'm not looking for a minor to be involved. Yes, I do show with my other horse, and for those who asked, I do have a trailer and trailering with me to shows is a possibility.

    Again, a half-board opportunity may still be available for the right person. Thank you all and have a great day!



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    Then you should list your offer as a 'shared expenses' or 'half board' or 'half lease' arrangement. If you are asking for money you are asking for money. I do not have to agree with the moderators. You do not want to let your horse out of your sight, but you do want people to pay $ to help you continue to enjoy and support her. If you want a 'contribution' they you are not offering something for free.

    Sorry, I simply do not feel you are being as UP FRONT as you could be.
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    There is no such thing as a "free horse," everyone reading here should understand that. Free lease, giveaway, etc, any horse comes with expenses attached.

    I agree with the OP- the generally accepted definition of "free lease" is "expenses only." This is a generous offer in itself because often a horse with a great deal of training, who would come with a 5 figure price tag if you were to buy her, can be leased for expenses plus an additional fee



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    OK, I have never done this before, but here is my attempt to post a link to a photo!



    <img src="http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/w...MissysFace.jpg" border="0" alt="Missy"></a>



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    well, I am not looking to lease a horse, but boy is she pretty!



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    Zen and Horses could you describe what your understanding of a "free lease" is then? What would you expect out of a free lease with regards to use of horse and any expenses related to the horse?



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    Zen, the only difference between leasing this mare and another horse up for free lease is that this mare needs to stay at this location. If you were free leasing another horse and moving them to the barn of your choice, you would still be paying board (or expenses if you have a barn of your own), plus all vetting and farrier.

    A horse that you ride COMPLETELY expense free would not be a lease, nor a free lease. It's more, "Money is no object for me and my horse needs exercise, so please come ride him." Or a parent, haha.

    What's described here is certainly a free lease.

    And your mare is beautiful, by the way.



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    What you describe is what I would consider a free lease. If you were offering to pay for all expenses while someone rode your horse they would not be leasing it. I have asked some friends if this offer fits into what they would consider a free lease and they have all said yes. It was agreed that if it was not a free lease one would be paying a lease fee plus expenses.Zen ,I would be interested to know what you consider a free lease? If its that the owner pays for all expenses then I would call you either bloody lucky or sponsered.
    Beautiful mare by the way. You could always send her to NZ................



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    Quote Originally Posted by Zen and Horses View Post
    Kelly,

    Sorry to say but what you describe does not fall within the confines of what most would consider a 'free lease.' If you are asking for $, it is NOT a 'free lease.' It would be best to be clearer from the outset that you are looking to share the expenses on your horse in exchange for riding privileges.

    Not a criticism. Just a suggestion.
    HAHAHAHAHA! Zen - apparently what you are looking for is a Sugar Daddy!

    I had a VERY nice hunter. When I was pregnant, a nice lady at the barn leased him from me. She could never have afforded to purchase him, but was able to pay his board, farrier and normal vet stuff and in exchange, she got a nicer horse than she could ever afford - to ride and show as if he were hers - at no fee, that is called "a free lease".

    The OP is not asking anyone to pay her, rather someone to take over the horses expenses. If you don't have the mid 5 figures that it normally cost to get a nice horse showing at this level, this is a good deal.
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    Kelly, you aren't crazy, but you are very generous to offer your mare on a free lease. What a wonderful opportunity! She is to die for!! : )



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    If I were closer than three or so hours away, I would take you up on this (very definite free lease) in a heartbeat!



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    Thank you to everyone for your kind words about my mare and for your support.


    Indy, if she went to NZ, I would have to go too! Sounds like a fun adventure!



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    Quote Originally Posted by Zen and Horses View Post
    Then you should list your offer as a 'shared expenses' or 'half board' or 'half lease' arrangement. If you are asking for money you are asking for money. I do not have to agree with the moderators. You do not want to let your horse out of your sight, but you do want people to pay $ to help you continue to enjoy and support her. If you want a 'contribution' they you are not offering something for free.

    Sorry, I simply do not feel you are being as UP FRONT as you could be.

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    I do not have to agree with the moderators.
    Who died and made you king?

    Sorry, I simply do not feel you are being as UP FRONT as you could be.
    She explained every aspect of what she expected. How is that not being upfront? Because you disagree with the title?

    Get over yourself.
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    I imagine at least 98% of readers of the ad do recognize what a free lease is, and I don't see anything less than "up front" about this ad. And this does sound like a fabulous opportunity for someone!!

    -- editing to clarify that indeed the lease is what's free a.k.a. being given away, not the horse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zen and Horses View Post
    Then you should list your offer as a 'shared expenses' or 'half board' or 'half lease' arrangement. If you are asking for money you are asking for money. I do not have to agree with the moderators. You do not want to let your horse out of your sight, but you do want people to pay $ to help you continue to enjoy and support her. If you want a 'contribution' they you are not offering something for free.

    Sorry, I simply do not feel you are being as UP FRONT as you could be.

    I don't know whether to at this ridiculous post or

    Maybe this is more appropriate. So basically you are saying that Kelly should pay someone to ride her horse?

    Kelly...She is GORGEOUS!!!



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