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    Default HB427: Equine Licenses-NH horse owners please read

    Forgive me if this has already been posted, it is being discussed on other boards.

    http://www.nhliberty.org/bills/view?...B427&year=2009


    Equine Licenses

    435:42 Procuring License. Every owner or keeper of an equine as defined by RSA 436:93 4 months old or over shall annually, cause it to be registered, numbered, described, and licensed for one year in the office of the clerk of the city or town in which the equine is kept. The license shall be furnished by the clerk at the expense of the city or town. Regardless of when the license is obtained, the license shall be effective from May 1 of each year to April 30 of the subsequent year.

    435:43 Vaccination Required. Before a license is issued under the provisions of this subdivision, the owner or keeper of an equine shall furnish to the clerk verification from a licensed veterinarian that the equine has been vaccinated against rabies

    435:44 Part of Year. An owner of an equine may at any time have it licensed until the ensuing May 1 and a person becoming the owner or keeper of an equine not duly licensed after May 1 shall cause it to be registered, and licensed as provided in RSA 435:42.

    435:45 Transfer. A license duly recorded shall be valid in any part of the state, and may be transferred with the equine licensed.


    II. With the owner’s consent, a veterinarian may report the euthanizing or death during treatment of a licensed equine to the town or city clerk in order to have the record reflect that the equine was euthanized or died. A veterinarian providing such a report may also provide the town or city clerk with the mailing and street addresses of the owner of the equine. Written reports, if any, shall be destroyed after receipt by the town or city clerk, and any resulting record reflecting the equine’s death shall not specify the manner or cause of death.

    Missouri Fox Trotters-To ride one is to own one

    Standardbreds, so much more then a harness racing horse.



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    what got that started? just to raise funds?
    Nothing says "I love you" like a tractor. (Clydejumper)

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    Step 2 - taxing horse ownership

    Please note for those of you who do your own shots... proof of vaccinations given by licensed vet.



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    Let the restrictions of freedoms expand and continue. "Change" ? "Hope"? Yeah sounds about right to me. Send out the brown shirts to make sure you have paid your equine tax! "Yes we can!!"
    The thing about smart people, is they look like crazy people, to dumb people.



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    If I lived in NH I would be on the phone to my representative, who better be ready to get an ear full.



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    This is one of the reasons horse owners need to realize that changing the classification of horses from livestock to companion animals is not a Good Thing.

    Agriculture statutes provide much more protection for horse owners.
    "It's like a Russian nesting doll of train wrecks."--CaitlinandTheBay

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghazzu View Post
    This is one of the reasons horse owners need to realize that changing the classification of horses from livestock to companion animals is not a Good Thing.

    Agriculture statutes provide much more protection for horse owners.
    $5 goes to Vet fund. What is that?

    $10 goes to fund AC.

    $10 goes to the state.



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    For contacts here is a link to the thread on Equinesite with a lot of contact info...

    http://discus.equinesite.net/discus/...tml?1232750631
    Missouri Fox Trotters-To ride one is to own one

    Standardbreds, so much more then a harness racing horse.



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    I cross posted this to Equinesite....

    Guys.......I want to post this here as a vet's opinion. It was posted to the MANE group -

    "Truthfully, I doubt anything anyone does is going to make a difference. There do seem to be a number of opinions about why this bill is being introduced -- allow me to say that this is not a "get rich quick" scheme from the State Vet's Office. Nor is it likely to raise a great deal of money for any town, in fact most will probably lose money on the paperwork end of it all. Rather, this comes from direct pressure from the USDA, as part of the "national animal identification" program that is being introduced in almost every state this year. Horses are being treated as companion animals and pets, rather than as livestock (something for which everyone is probably going to be very grateful, since it will allow for easier sale, travel and general horse-y get-togethers). That means horses are now big dogs when it comes to animal tracking and licensing.
    I would caution MANE about the likely alternatives should this bill fail -- i.e., mandatory livestock protocols for identification (e.g., microchip, tattoo, ear tag) in line with USDA standards. Perhaps more importantly, there could be health certificate type requirements imposed for your horse leaving your property (as there currently are with ruminants) -- not just for crossing the border, but for going to the local indoor, trail ride or to ride down the rail trail. While we don't tend to think about it, the truth is that police forces will have the right to impound your horse if it's off your property without a valid (ie 30 day) health certificate. Not to mention the issue of Coggins tests, VS, FMD, EEE, WNV and any other diseases the USDA may feel the need to quarantine for in our area. Personally, the idea of an annual license doesn't look so bad to me anymore....
    Secondly, the addition of a Rabies requirement isn't actually a change in the law at all, it just moves it from one gov' agency to another. Equines have ALWAYS been required to have annual vaccines for Rabies, this just gives that legislation some bite. And since equines are now a major source of human exposure (second only to cats in NH), one can understand why the DOH wants some bite in the law.
    I would be more than happy to discuss the push for animal identification with anyone, and would love to be informed of any MANE meeting which might act as a forum.
    Christine
    PS Deb, please feel free to post this out, if it might answer some of the MANE'rs questions.


    Dr. Christine E. Schlupf DVM"

    For me, I'd much rather have to "license" my horse yearly than to pay for a health certificate every month. Maybe it doesn't affect those of you with backyard horses who do not leave the property. But I take both of my horses off the property ALL THE TIME. Having valid health certs on each of them ALL THE TIME would GREATLY cut in to my enjoyment of them.

    Go ahead, boo hooo me....but NAIS is coming. And I'd rather my horses be considered pets than livestock.
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    We have a similar law in VA for dogs. Evidently some people were so pissed off about the law that they no longer vaccinate against rabies.

    We get a very threatening letter from the county saying that Animal Control will seize the dog if we don't pay the license within 10 days.

    It's BS about it not being revenue driven. It sure as he** is revenue driven. Every year they try and raise the cap on license fees so they can be higher.

    Evidently rich white people want laws so that only rich white people can own animals.

    Has nothing to do with NAIS and everything to do with taxing animal ownership.



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    Local governments can regulate the hell out of pets/companion animals.

    *Way* more than they can regulate livestock.

    Be afraid. Be very afraid.
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    This is the beginning....along with taxes on non-diet soda, socialism, banning moments of silence in schools, decrees from on high such as 'I can do it because I won.'

    Ah yes, be afraid indeed.

    And DON'T LET THESE THINGS HAPPEN!!! Fight for individual rights, for your freedom to choose, for your right to resist taxation without representation.
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    I must say, I'm a little surprised that this is taking place in NH, the home of "Live Free or Die".

    Guess the state has been overrun by the yuppie element.
    "It's like a Russian nesting doll of train wrecks."--CaitlinandTheBay

    ...just settin' on the Group W bench.



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    Yes, this is stupid and unnecessary. However, PLEASE do not blame President Obama for this bill. THAT is just as stupid. Obviously, this bill has been being planned for quite some time. They don't happen overnight.
    \"I refuse to engage in a battle of wits with someone who is unarmed.\"--Pogo



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    Quote Originally Posted by boosma47 View Post

    This is the beginning....along with taxes on non-diet soda, socialism, banning moments of silence in schools, decrees from on high such as 'I can do it because I won.'
    Fire and brimstone coming down from the skies! Rivers and seas boiling!
    Forty years of darkness! Earthquakes, volcanoes...
    The dead rising from the grave!
    Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together... mass hysteria!



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    Quote Originally Posted by joharavhf View Post
    And since equines are now a major source of human exposure (second only to cats in NH), one can understand why the DOH wants some bite in the law.
    According to theHorse.com, there were only 10 cases of equine rabies in the country in 2004. Where is this person getting this information that "equines are a major source of human exposure." What a load of crap. What human has ever gotten rabies from a horse? This is another scare tactic.

    Plus, this woman is actually trying to angle that this is a way to circumvent NAIS for horses??? If this was truly what they were doing, they would have instead passed a law that said "horses are not livestock" and leave it at that. There would have not been any need for a fee structure and a rabies vaccine requirement. And personally, I think they are using this as a preliminary step towards NAIS. Once you have people "licensing," your horses are already in a database and you are halfway to NAIS.

    NAIS isn't just going to require health certificates to go down the street, NAIS is going to require that you tell the government when and where your horse went.

    Edited to Add: Does this "Christine E. Schlupf" even have horses? From what I can find, she is a cat vet and her bio only says that she has cats and children. It appears to me that she is unqualified to be forming any type of opinion on this.



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    No I am not here to make fun of Booosma ...she is right...you WILL wake up one day and realize that you have lost all your freedoms and then the govt will tell you what you can and cant have. (now it is you cant have a cigarette here or there (I dont like smoking nor do i smoke), you cant eat McDonald's French fries because they have trans fats, you cant drink soda because of the sugars, you MUST wear a seat belt, we are banning trans fats in major cities restaurants, blah blah blah...) Big brother DEFINITELY knows what is best for us...(no sarcasm icon sadly) So here is where I bring up boiling the frog....AND the monthly health cert is simply a way to force you to buy into the ownership tax ... this is disgusting. and I am not blaming BO I am blaming his politics and his "vision" for the country. He is exacerbating the ease of control of the people....Be afraid. Be very afraid.
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    You're welcome to comment on your thoughts on this particular development, and what it could mean for the industry, but keep the general, not horse-related political commentary off of the board.

    Thanks!
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    My comment was apolitical. It was just an observation.

    Taxing horse ownership is revenue driven. Has nothing to do with animal welfare, NAIS, REAL ID, horse slaughter, or any other political hot potato.

    It's about $$. There are people that would LOVE for horses to be reclassified as companion animals. Opens up a whole new world of regulation, licensing, personal and real property taxation, impacts zoning, all kinds of things.

    Classified as livestock, horses, owners and the horse industry are represented by the larger world of agriculture; a very influential lobby. Horse owners are heard within that lobby. Maybe not as well as some would like - but still - we're heard.

    We buy the same hay, use the same vaccines, suffer the consequences of the decline in large animal vets. Grain prices affect us, as does state and national policy related to agriculture. Land use affects us just like farmers. Zoning. Conservation. Farm labor.

    The horse has the same requirements as other species of livestock. They need large amounts of land - making real estate taxes an issue for horse owners. They need similar housing, have similar manure disposal requirements, similar everything.

    Singling horse owners out makes us a very attractive target. We cannot cry poverty when our real estate and other taxes are raised - because the horse is expensive to keep. We're "rich" and so fair game for politicians.

    The vet quoted doesn't have very good information. Look what is happening to companion animals across the US. Taxes, fees, licenses, heavy regulation, special laws, special insurance (or no insurance), bans on breeds - legislators are VERY involved in companion animal regulation and taxation.

    Lose the protection of the agricultural lobby and we're sitting ducks for any politician or special interest group that wants to make an example of us, tax us, regulate us, or ban us. We're too small a percentage of the population to be an effective lobby for our own interests. Animal rights groups have goals that are different than ours.

    We'll be on our own - a target on our back pocket where we keep our wallets.



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    Excellent post, J Swan! Am always amazed that horseowners are considered "rich."
    Somewhere I read recently that 1/3 of the horses are owned by folks with under $50,000 income. I remember boarding at barn in Chicago about 20 years that was all adults and with one exception, all women, most of home were single supporting themselves and their horses on their own. My horse took a very large chunk of my take home pay but for me, he was as necessary to my life as breathing and eating.
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