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    Quote Originally Posted by DMK View Post
    Angela - a straightforward answer to your question is yes, some very top level eq horses get leased for a good sum of money. However these are the top top horses that command this price and they are actively competing and in top eq trainer's barns. All of those things cost huge sums of money - sure BNEqT will lease your horse for a nice sum for a few key classes per year if their is a good rider fit, but he also expects tha tyou pay him his monthly board and training and all the maintenance that goes along with keeping an old campaigner campaigning. It would be a fiscally imprudent move IMO to lay out that money in hopes of a return that the odds don't favor.
    Wouldn't the person leasing the horse be responsible for the bills? Why would you lease out your horse and then pay board on it, not the way it works. And if you mean it is only leased at the finals, those horses don't stay in a program all year long, they get pulled out of the field in early August to get prepped. We have one here at my barn and he doesn't do much until the end of the summer, no huge expenses until the kid leasing starts picking up the bills.



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    Aren't these from Keswick in 2008? This is from the Jr/AO jumper class. This horse does not look like he is ready to be retired. So what happened?

    http://www.peggyjsmith.com/14K08FJrA...K08-F3095.html

    http://www.peggyjsmith.com/14K08FJrA...K08-F3097.html

    http://www.peggyjsmith.com/14K08FJrA...K08-F3098.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2bayboys View Post
    Aren't these from Keswick in 2008? This is from the Jr/AO jumper class. This horse does not look like he is ready to be retired. So what happened?

    http://www.peggyjsmith.com/14K08FJrA...K08-F3095.html

    http://www.peggyjsmith.com/14K08FJrA...K08-F3097.html

    http://www.peggyjsmith.com/14K08FJrA...K08-F3098.html
    sorry then, in my post I thought he was a child/adult horse, not junior horse... so yeah from 4'6" to bust, did he pull something, blow something or just did not fit the program anymore? If he is sound, Tazer, you just found yourself a diamond!



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    Quote Originally Posted by MLP View Post
    Wouldn't the person leasing the horse be responsible for the bills? Why would you lease out your horse and then pay board on it, not the way it works. And if you mean it is only leased at the finals, those horses don't stay in a program all year long, they get pulled out of the field in early August to get prepped. We have one here at my barn and he doesn't do much until the end of the summer, no huge expenses until the kid leasing starts picking up the bills.
    Oh boy. Not all big eq horses sit in a field until the end of summer. The majority are in a program with a trainer...



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    Quote Originally Posted by 2bayboys View Post
    Aren't these from Keswick in 2008? This is from the Jr/AO jumper class. This horse does not look like he is ready to be retired. So what happened?

    http://www.peggyjsmith.com/14K08FJrA...K08-F3095.html

    http://www.peggyjsmith.com/14K08FJrA...K08-F3097.html

    http://www.peggyjsmith.com/14K08FJrA...K08-F3098.html
    I found those the other day and I am not certain that is him, sure looks like him but
    without seeing him head on with his bonnet flying up to reveal his distinctive 'star' ... or being able to ID the rider [and I would not know these people if they bit me]

    I am certain of the pics from '07 from Traders Point- the markings match and I found them by plugging his name in the photogs site search [wish more photographers had friendlier website- I am getting cross eyed from looking at teensy weensy pictures of jumpers without even knowing if I am looking at the right class or even the right YEAR!]- that made it easy!

    Wasn't he beautiful? Look at those knees! And how much room he's giving that oxer! What a horse! And he's sweet too! If I'd had him he would never have gone anywhere!



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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela Freda View Post
    I found those the other day and I am not certain that is him, sure looks like him but
    without seeing him head on with his bonnet flying up to reveal his distinctive 'star' ... or being able to ID the rider [and I would not know these people if they bit me]

    I am certain of the pics from '07 from Traders Point- the markings match and I found them by plugging his name in the photogs site search [wish more photographers had friendlier website- I am getting cross eyed from looking at teensy weensy pictures of jumpers without even knowing if I am looking at the right class or even the right YEAR!]- that made it easy!

    Wasn't he beautiful? Look at those knees! And how much room he's giving that oxer! What a horse! And he's sweet too! If I'd had him he would never have gone anywhere!
    I couldn't agree more. It just seems so odd that he was doing that and then was given up. I would love to know from Tazer if he sound because he could have gone a bit further down the line before giving up. I mean these are the Jr/AOs here, so then there's the child/adult, child/adult low, and then the level 1s.... Quite a few more steps. Either way, Tazer, you are one lucky girl and November Rain is one lucky boy. The stars aligned for you both this month and I hope you get to enjoy many, many, many more years with that incredible horse! I want him



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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela Freda View Post
    Read what I wrote, I did not tell her she could have done it differently, I ASKED if I was wrong in the numbers I had heard about how much a horse of that calibre got leased for.
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    The horses that have placed highly or won at medal finals and come out of a BNT barn are the ones that lease out for mega-bucks. There are many, many horses that get their owners qualified and get their owners/riders around the course at medal finals but don't even get close to the call-back list. Some get their owners qualified but don't even get over the first fence at indoors. If you have a horse that gets it's rider qualified but is pretty much a 40-50K horse, you would not be able to lease him out for anywhere near the amounts you mentioned.



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    Quote Originally Posted by dcm View Post
    Actually, back then finances did indicate a lifetime retirement for this horse. Not that it is anyone's business, but the funds bought daughter's first car, which she still has, leased a former world cup jumper (aged 20 and on his way down - reminds me of Dux) for a season to learn jumpers, bought a prospect with a season at WEF (later sold at a loss - you know how that goes), etc etc. Some has even gone to pay the IRS (yes a lease fee is taxable income). The past two years have gone to pay for board and care on the youngster and on rescuing daughter's former hunter. And yes, we are in the midwest where you don't quite get that kind of money. Some years were much less because we were picky about what riders in what barns this horse went to. Twice he went to Harrisburg at no charge to the rider. Like I said, back then finances were not an issue. Now, post divorce, post market crash, they are.
    slp - Sounds like this was a VERY nice horse in this particular instance! Quote was just to clear up that specific example, not any judgment.



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    Tazer,

    I took the liberty of cross posting this on an Australian forum. People on there remember the horse, know the original Australian owners, and are offering a phone number to get in contact.

    Edited to say: I PMed you the details! Hope you get in contact!
    Last edited by lxt; Jan. 21, 2009 at 06:03 PM.



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    And more - the lady who is giving me the info says:

    "There was a great article on the Williams family in the Horse Magazine (i think) a few years ago - i will try and scan it in. I used to play hockey with Deon's twin sisters - one of them had a freak training accident and damaged her brain stem and had to learn to walk and talk etc again - she is still not physically 100% but she was riding again within a year of the accident and one of the horses who helped her and looked after her was November Rain - he was such a patient horse for her !!"



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    Quote Originally Posted by alittlextra View Post
    slp - Sounds like this was a VERY nice horse in this particular instance! Quote was just to clear up that specific example, not any judgment.
    I know the horse in question very well, dcm let my daughter show him in the IHJA Adult Medal Finals in 2007. Actually at the time he was leased to a barn-mate of ours so both they and dcm gave permission for my daughter to show him in this particular class; she had previously qualified for it but at the time didn't have a horse to show. Best of all they ended up winning!

    He has qualified several different riders for medal finals but none of them were called back (rider fault, not the horse!) which is why they don't get the mega-bucks to lease him out because he's not a known name outside of the mid-west and dcm would not let him go too far away. dcm has always been more concerned about the home, rider and trainer that the horse would be going to (close enough so that she and her daughter could check up on him regularly) than trying to maximize the top dollar that she might have received by letting him go far from home. I admire her for that.

    But back to the original topic of this thread...I think it is so wonderful that such a lovely horse as Dux has found such a great home.



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    Quote Originally Posted by HHG-N View Post
    Oh boy. Not all big eq horses sit in a field until the end of summer. The majority are in a program with a trainer...
    Precisely. It the exception, not the rule for a horse to sit out in pasture and then come in to prep for the medals in August, and a rare rule at that (so rare I've never heard of any case)! In order to command the big $$ a horse has to be well known and in order to be well known he has to be seen often and be seen winning often.

    If leasing good eq horses was somehow a profitable venture for more people, I promise you a lot more people would be doing it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by lxt View Post
    And more - the lady who is giving me the info says:

    "There was a great article on the Williams family in the Horse Magazine (i think) a few years ago - i will try and scan it in. I used to play hockey with Deon's twin sisters - one of them had a freak training accident and damaged her brain stem and had to learn to walk and talk etc again - she is still not physically 100% but she was riding again within a year of the accident and one of the horses who helped her and looked after her was November Rain - he was such a patient horse for her !!"
    Man, that's AWESOME!!! This story just gets better and better. You've got yourself a real keeper there Tazer!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2bayboys View Post
    Aren't these from Keswick in 2008? This is from the Jr/AO jumper class. This horse does not look like he is ready to be retired. So what happened?

    http://www.peggyjsmith.com/14K08FJrA...K08-F3095.html

    http://www.peggyjsmith.com/14K08FJrA...K08-F3097.html

    http://www.peggyjsmith.com/14K08FJrA...K08-F3098.html
    If that is him, that was the very last horse show he was in, and it should have been with Kacey McCann. From what I have been told, he took 2nd on the first day, was sore the 2nd and that was the end of his career.



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    Quote Originally Posted by War Admiral View Post
    Man, that's AWESOME!!! This story just gets better and better. You've got yourself a real keeper there Tazer!!!
    I figured that out the day I met him in the field



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    Dux's new favorite is peppermint candy! He HOOVERED my candy cane this evening, I was going to share with him... but he had other plans and scarfed up the entire thing in 3 bites.



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    Is this him?http://www.eqsite.com/kelviden/jo.html says it's 2003.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Equibrit View Post
    Is this him?http://www.eqsite.com/kelviden/jo.html says it's 2003.
    That is another November Rain, though dang they look alike.
    That one has a larger, more round star.



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    Based on his USEF show record, he was doing the Grand Prixs with Donald Cheska in 2004. He even got third in a World Cup qualifier. Since Donald Cheska competes internationally, I was wondering if he imported the horse.



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    There was a horse attached to Gary Zook called November Rain.
    Also Cara Cheska.



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