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    Default Where is Racing Going ??

    With all these post of different tracks closing and changing the footing . What is going to happen to these wonderful horses.. They keep breeding and the tracks keep closing .. what is going on here?
    Any thoughts on this ?
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    I believe we are in crisis.



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    The upside for Illinois TB racing (Hawthorne, Arlington, Fairmont) is that G-Fraud signed on Monday an extension of the law - yet to ever be paid out - which redistributes 3% of Illinois casino gross revenue to horse racing.

    If the US Supreme Court rejects hearing the appeal of the Casinos who are challenging the surcharge - brokered long ago to compensate the tracks for the invading casinos - then there is a substantial windfall in escrow ready to go to the tracks.



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    Default Oh sanity....

    That's the ticket! I pray that this passes and that other states follow suit. Thank you for the news!
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    Where is Racing Going?

    In the toilet if there isn't one racing commission overseeing everyone from Blue Ribbon Downs to Wyoming Downs to Belmont Park and having brutally harsh sentences for trainers who cheat. Also, there must be more money put into testing horses for drugs like EPO.



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    Circling the drain unless a whole lot of people wake up and smell the coffee! (can I fit ONE more cliche in there?? =)
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    So tell me . IF there is so much talk and discussion about the future of racing why are so many Breeders , & Trainers still breeding horses. What is going to happen to those animals. ? There seems to be so many already out there and to me that is why we have the auction pens, the slaughter houses, and just a over whelming amount of TB's all over the place.
    "YOU create your own stage. The audience is waiting."



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    Change takes time.

    It will speed up a little if consequences are serious enough and enforced.



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    People are still breeding because we need a new crop of young horses each year. In addition to some tracks closing, new ones are opening (Presque Isle for example). Plus, a lot of the screaming about tracks closing is really a leverage tool (think back to Ellis Park - I know it was posted here that they were closing, but that was a bargaining ploy).

    Yeah, CA is having some problems and I really feel for those folks, but most of that is due to some really dumb management decisions and what appears to be a real lack of good leadership. Florida and Texas have some work to do and purses are pretty weak. But, other places are doing really well. I race in Louisiana and purses are strong, there are plans to build a new track and they're trying to get racing at one of the training centers, too. And, that's all good because we could use more races. It's all about perspective and I wouldn't worry about a bunch of horses winding up homeless any time soon.

    Racing does NOT need governmental regulation. That's not going to solve anything except make DickHertz happy briefly.



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    There's a beautifully written article in the Horse newsletter today which mirrors my stance:

    Making Racing Safer
    In times of crisis we look for quick answers, and we cry out for leadership. There are calls for a national governing body to take responsibility and legislate compliance. The hard truth is that we are all responsible for these injuries. Every day, decisions are made by all segments of the industry that affect the safety and welfare of the horse. We can't legislate responsibility. We all need to make safety and welfare of the horse our number one priority. The question is not "What is 'the industry' doing to eliminate catastrophic injuries?"; rather ask yourself, "What am I doing to make racing safer for our horses and riders?" --Scott Palmer, VMD
    (You have to be registered to read the entire article; it's free.)



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    GREAT thanks for letting us know . I will surely read that . Being that it is pouring here today and can't get out with the ponies. Besides all my holiday shopping is done .nothing better than to do except read good Horse related articles.
    "YOU create your own stage. The audience is waiting."



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    Good article. I agree with all of what he says...

    So, what will it take? Harsher penalties? Publishing a list of offenders in DRF? Fees taken out of winnings for retirement funds?

    I don't know the answer, but I like all those ideas...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Equinoxfox View Post
    So tell me . IF there is so much talk and discussion about the future of racing why are so many Breeders , & Trainers still breeding horses. What is going to happen to those animals. ? There seems to be so many already out there and to me that is why we have the auction pens, the slaughter houses, and just a over whelming amount of TB's all over the place.

    1st off there's many horses all over the place. OTTB's are more in the forefront because people actually are now trying to do the right thing by them.

    As for why are people still breeding them, most of my breeder friends are not breeding any to not breeding as many next year. I only have 2 mares I am breeding next year and that's it. The mares are a pleasure to have around anyway and cost little to keep empty. And as an added bonus because they're broken, they can be ridden to keep them occupied. Who knows, hunting or riding club activities might beckon as well!

    As far as racing is concerned, it's pretty bleak over here too.

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    California and racing almost seem to be parting ways with racing options by 2011 exceptionally limited

    Hollywood Park, always under threat, looks like this maybe the year to be lost just as mutually owned Bay Meadows was. The assorted fairs continue to exist in the summer but for how long with that exemption from the synthetic mandates?

    Now Magna on the verge of a collapse looks to be willing to part with Golden Gate Fields:

    It's unclear whether the Albany track would be among those put on the block, and if so, be sold as a racetrack business or simply as real estate.
    My guess like Hollywood Park - sold for around $250M - could only find buyers for the use as developed real estate. I don't see investors flush with cash hot for buying a race track in this era.

    Thus California TB racing fans, trainers, owners and horses could be left with just the limited use boutique-track of DelMar and Santa Anita/Oak Tree.

    I wouldn't be shocked to see in the next 10 years many other tracks lost forever. With fewer racing tracks the sport will have to shrink with the number of horses being bred to race.



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    Maybe the gloomiest barometer of all is the number (and calibre) of farms on the market in Kentucky. And, of course, the prices are crashing - although they have a long way to go before they reach my budget.



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    Perhaps this economic situation will encourage breeders to cut back. Lessen the numb er of horses out there and cut out the crappy low end breeding. I know for one we are not breeding a single mare next year. It is just too expensive to feed the number of horses we have. Going to keep back our best 4 (of 9) mares and give them a year off.

    Keep in mind racing has been through troubled times before. We will weather the storm as we have in times past.
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    Yes I am sure about weathering the storm. BUT my main concern is what about all these horses that are here now. You know the ones that are done at the tracks. what will happen to them. we are doing away with the Slaughter houses. We are trying to get rid of the crazy Amish who run the Auction Barns. But we still will have a influx of horses that need to leave the track. the economy with the way it is . Will make it hard for everyday people to do any type of adoption or buying .
    So with that being said... When they are now done at the track and ready for a new career. what will happen.
    Many breeders are cutting back on their breeding programs. And not having large foal crops next spring.
    But that is not the end all to this problem. there must be a solution out there someplace.
    Am I not seeing the full picture here. or what?
    "YOU create your own stage. The audience is waiting."



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    Quote Originally Posted by grits View Post
    Maybe the gloomiest barometer of all is the number (and calibre) of farms on the market in Kentucky. And, of course, the prices are crashing - although they have a long way to go before they reach my budget.
    Dibs on Rivendell Farm!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Equinoxfox View Post
    We are trying to get rid of the crazy Amish who run the Auction Barns. :
    Okay, this begs the question: WHAT? What is this plan to erradicate the Amish? And, why?

    But that is not the end all to this problem. there must be a solution out there someplace.
    Am I not seeing the full picture here. or what?
    No, with all due respect, you are not seeing the full picture. From what I gather from your post, you would like to see fewer horses bred so that there are, in turn, fewer retiring horses. And, you're displeased with the number of horses in training now because they may have trouble finding a home when they retire? May I remind you that the TB racing industry is the single most proactive horse industry out there when it comes to rehoming it's horses. I don't see any big efforts to rehome futurity cutting horses or aging halter geldings, etc. We (the majority of us in this business) will continue our rehoming efforts and continue to seek to improve those efforts and will probably continue to outpace other industries in this area. So, I don't know what you mean by "a solution."



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    Hey SleepyFox: Just help me to understand. We continue to breed tons of new foals each year. We continue to have horses retiring each year. And tons of those go to those horrible places and never get a better chance at life.
    I am just trying to understand , grasp, and realize why & how the industry could and should make changes.
    I am not sure I understand why so many foals are bred each year instead of just a few per breeder. It seems the industry might be saturated with horses each year.
    such a cycle to me ..
    "YOU create your own stage. The audience is waiting."



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