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    Default What would you think if your veterinarian...

    ...was also a doctor (human)? Not practicing both human and veterinary medicine, but holding a dual degree (DVM/MD).

    This is what I'd love to do, if possible. What do you think? After getting so thoroughly educated, I'd like to specialize in either equine sports medicine or surgery.

    I'm already aware that it would be many years of very expensive school. Do you all (in your infinite wisdom) have other thoughts?
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    I guess I would just have to wonder why you would do that to yourself

    You can do equine sports med and surgery with out med school. Go to vet school and intern somewhere like Rood and Riddle or Palm Beach Equine. You can do what you want and you'll save yourself a quarter million in tuition and interest.



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    I would think that either said person was loaded with cash when they started or are suffering under the weight of a billion dollars in loan payments.

    Seriously though, it would be cool but man, you have to be crazy. Getting an MD alone takes 8+ years, and a DVM on top of that? Might as well go to med school for neurosurgery - would take about the same amount of time and you'd get more money in the end.



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    Sounds great! You can treat the owner's panic attacks simultaneously to treating the horses!

    In all honesty, I would like it because it shows commitment and tells me that the person is in the practice for the right reasons. If it's what you want to do, GO FOR IT! I can't imagine that anyone would have a PROBLEM with it, except maybe thinking you were slightly crazy for putting yourself through all of that!



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    Honestly, I don't see how that could work....I think the phrase "Jack of all trades/master of none."

    I would stick to one or the other and possibly branch out into different aspects...ie chiro, accupunture, etc.



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    Quote Originally Posted by hedmbl View Post
    I guess I would just have to wonder why you would do that to yourself

    You can do equine sports med and surgery with out med school. Go to vet school and intern somewhere like Rood and Riddle or Palm Beach Equine. You can do what you want and you'll save yourself a quarter million in tuition and interest.
    I hate to break it to you but you do HAVE to go medical school to do sports medicine (unless you are thinking physical therapy)and surgery. for surgeons- 4 years medical school, internship, residency, then about 2-6 years more for surgery depending on the type of surgery - neurosurgery, thoracic, cardio longest... plus I don't think you can do these side by side.

    But wait is the OP talking about Equine Sports therapy and surgery for humans or horses? If humans re=read above paragraph. Second, I doubt that you will be accepted into the same Med & Vet Schools So the way you're thinking is 2-4 years of medical college, 2-4 vet school, then internship/residency so after 8 years of medical schools then you go into your specialty. By that time we will have universal health care so a human physician and/or surgeon's income is going to drop lower than what it is now and then for human which isn't going to help pay off any student loans (there is that voluntary mandatory Civil Service which Obama and Rhambo want everyone from 18-24 to do which would give you a $4,000 college credit )- , malpractice insurance is going to be pretty darn high so you have to factor that in...



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    I know a few.
    One is a specialist in tropical medicine.

    One became an MD and got out of veterinary medicine.

    I'd worry more about getting into veterinary school to begin with than about dual medical degrees.
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    Quote Originally Posted by galwaybay View Post
    I hate to break it to you but you do HAVE to go medical school to do sports medicine (unless you are thinking physical therapy)and surgery. for surgeons- 4 years medical school, internship, residency, then about 2-6 years more for surgery depending on the type of surgery - neurosurgery, thoracic, cardio longest... plus I don't think you can do these side by side.

    But wait is the OP talking about Equine Sports therapy and surgery for humans or horses? If humans re=read above paragraph. Second, I doubt that you will be accepted into the same Med & Vet Schools So the way you're thinking is 2-4 years of medical college, 2-4 vet school, then internship/residency so after 8 years of medical schools then you go into your specialty. By that time we will have universal health care so a human physician and/or surgeon's income is going to drop lower than what it is now and then for human which isn't going to help pay off any student loans (there is that voluntary mandatory Civil Service which Obama and Rhambo want everyone from 18-24 to do which would give you a $4,000 college credit )- , malpractice insurance is going to be pretty darn high so you have to factor that in...
    I read it that she's talking about equine sports medicine.That's why I said equine sports med and (equine) surgery. I'm well aware you need an MD to practice medicine on humans



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    I know of a couple - mostly work in research (pharmaceutical).



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    Well my opinion would probably change when I met the person but my first thought is that is someone afraid to face the "real world" and clients/patients so they buried themselves in schooling as long as possible.



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    Why put myself through all that school? That's a good question:

    Firstly, I don't mind school. I actually quite enjoy it, though I'll probably enjoy being a veterinarian more. One of my MD friends thinks the quickest I could get a dual degree would be six years, assuming my university was on board with the idea.

    Then I'd get going on my internship/residency in whatever specialty interested me the most throughout my highly awesome medical education. Right now, I'd like to be a rockstar colic surgeon, though I do have an interest (as I mentioned above) in equine sports medicine.

    Secondly, I think it would make me a fantastically well-rounded doctor. One of the most dangerous things a doctor (of anything) can say is: "That's not the kind of medicine I practice, therefore I don't need to learn anything about it."

    That's not to say anything against specializing - I fully intend to specialize, hopefully without being in school until I'm forty. I just want to get a broader than average medical education first. I also think it'll help me make the most informed decision about what kind of (probably veterinary) medicine I want to practice.

    I've applied to vet schools for (hopefully) entrance this fall, and my present plan is to make a case to my university once I've been accepted into the veterinary medicine program.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dalpal View Post
    Honestly, I don't see how that could work....I think the phrase "Jack of all trades/master of none."
    That's exactly why I wouldn't want to practice everything - woo, that would be crazy!
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    Quote Originally Posted by CallMeGrace View Post
    I know of a couple - mostly work in research (pharmaceutical).
    Mm, that makes sense. I thought public health would be another logical application, for zoonotic diseases.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Laurierace View Post
    Well my opinion would probably change when I met the person but my first thought is that is someone afraid to face the "real world" and clients/patients so they buried themselves in schooling as long as possible.
    Yeah, I'm glad that's not the case with me One of the reasons I'm interested in both human and veterinary medicine is that I love working with both humans and animals.

    But I figger those of us for whom that's true should be vets, 'cause as someone above said, you get to work with both the owners and their animals!
    "Sir, I think you have a problem with your brain being missing." - Zoe



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    Is it possible to do your first year, or at least first semester, of vet school and then decide whether or not to pursue a dual track?

    I ask because I used to like school, too. A whole lot. Then I went to law school. I finished but wild clydesdales could not drag me back into a classroom now!

    But YMMV. My brother went to the same law school I did and says one day he's going back for his LLM - which is sort of like a master's degree for lawyers. I'd rather drive a nail into my skull.

    That said, I know a lot of MD/JD's. You may be one of those crazy work-a-holic genius folk who can do it. But if I were you I'd find out how I liked pursuing one degree before committing to two.
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    First let me start off by stating that you do realize that it is more difficult to get into vet school than med school, and most people who can't get into vet school end up going to med school. (That's a little on the scary side, isn't it!?) I have to agree with a previous poster that if this were my vet, I would figure s/he wasn't able to get into vet school until s/he completed their med degree.



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    Well if you want to keep the two related...do the MD as a pediatrician. That way all your patients can be biters.
    Or probably better yet...go for psychiatry and that way you can then deal with the human owners of your animal patients.
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    I do know of a vet that went to law school first, got sick of her law practice, and went to vet school. Very smart woman. She was also "married" to her job for a long time, and became a mother late in life because of it, so I might keep that in mind if you want to start a family.



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    Dr. Mike Wilson, http://www.fertilitycentercolorado.com/people.php He lives out here now but played a role in the breakthrough in equine ET (I believe that was out at Colorado State) then went into human infertility where he remains now.



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    Quote Originally Posted by lotc2005 View Post
    First let me start off by stating that you do realize that it is more difficult to get into vet school than med school, and most people who can't get into vet school end up going to med school. (That's a little on the scary side, isn't it!?) I have to agree with a previous poster that if this were my vet, I would figure s/he wasn't able to get into vet school until s/he completed their med degree.
    Yup. In fact, if I had a dollar for every time someone said some variant of: "You want to be a vet? It's harder to get into vet school than medical school. There are only [insert random number here] vet schools in the country," I'd be so loaded!

    Good call on the trying one first before committing to both. However, I haven't been able to find any existing DVM/MD programs, so I think I'd probably be convincing my university to let me make one.

    And yes, it is kind of funny/scary how a lot of folks go to medical school as a second choice to vet school. Though I have met some excellent doctors who were probably not setting the bar for their class's academic performance .
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