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    Smile Purina Strategy vs. Legends Performance

    Feed Gurus - can you help a little please? I love feeding a pelleted feed as I can put hot/warm water on it to break it down a little. Horses love it, too.

    How do the Purina Strategy and Legends Performance Pellets compare?

    I currently feed the Legends and my horses do very well on it. I have a young horse out for training and they are feeding him Strategy. He is doing well on it. He will be coming home at the end of the month. I really don't want to mess with what is "working" for everyone, but it would be easier to feed one kind if possible.

    What are the pros and cons of each of these feeds?

    Thanks for the education.



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    Purina Mills is the only feed company in the country that can back it's feed formulas with research, which is conducted at their excellent research farm in Missouri, on controlled groups of horses. Very often, other companies will replicate Purina's feeds (some have "hired away" employees of Purina with higher salaries to get the formulas, but with an ingredient list, most can come fairly close to replications anyway) Some companies have said their feed formulas are backed by research, but they are not saying whose research.

    I am not familiar with Legends production quality control, but I AM very familiar with Purina's....Purina horse feeds are manufactured only at Purina milling facilities that produce their horse feeds...in other words, no cattle feeds are produced in the same grain mixing containers, or even on the same property, to be absolutely sure Purina feeds can not be contaminated with urea, a common cattle feed additive that is highly toxic to horses.

    Truly, Strategy is a great product, and if you are happy with what you are feeding, which sounds similar, you will be just as happy initially, and happier in the long run knowing the extra safety measures and extra quality control. I have fed nothing but Purina feeds since the early nineties, and the first thing I noticed was that my grain rations could be reduced by 1/3 of what I was feeding of a "similar" product...no fillers and better quality feed may cost a bit more per sack, but in the right off the bat, I was saving money by feeding less, and not having problems caused by lesser quality control. (mold, mice parts, cattle feed ingredients left in hoppers, etc)

    Purina has some really excellent equine specialists (they have to have an advanced degree in animal nutrition and go through stringient training programs yearly to stay updated...they will, at no charge, meet with you to discuss your needs and concerns, and if you are running a boarding or breeding or training facility, they will even come and set up a feed study that you can monitor yourself, to see if a change in feed program might be of benefit to you...at no charge (you buy feed of course, but you'd be feeding the horses anyway)

    And no, I'm not a Purina dealer, not does my family have a dealership...I was a happy Purina customer for some ten years before I married one of their equine specialists. I would not feed something to my best horse in the world that I did not believe in 100 percent.



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    I second the vote for Purina. I was always impressed that they went the extra mile in research and safety. I've switched from Omelene to Strategy and I love how my horses look. Can say one odd observation-since switching to a pelleted feed(vs. sweet feed) the bird problem in my barn(sparrows) has dropped dramatically!! I think it's because the pellets don't have whole grains for the birds to try to pick out of the manure or scavenge for under the feed tub.



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    I fed my horses Strategy for about 7 years and most of mine (7 or more horses at the time) did alright on it. However, it is higher in sugars/molasses/starch than I now care to feed so I would not go back to it. As for Purina itself, I have fed at least two-thirds of their products at various times over the past 20+ years and I doubt I would ever return to their feed as a regular source. Their better brands are too expensive and their lesser brands are too high in sugar. I do use their vitamin & mineral mix (12:12) and occasionally supplement with Horseman's Edge 12% if the feed store is out of what I normally buy. In the past 20+ years, I found Purina's feed to vary from shipment to shipment and actually had to return several shipments which my horses flat refused to eat. I don't mean to turn this into a commentary on Purina, but I have so many years experience in feeding it, that I thought you might like to know my opinion. As far as their research - it's great but they seem to have trouble getting their mills to follow their standard formulas; thus the variance in feed quality.

    I started using Legends 11% pelleted feed about six months ago when Triple Crown got too pricey for me. It is a step under Triple Crown feeds, which are both distributed by Southern States. I LIKE it, my horses are doing well on it (13+ horses) although they don't get the daily required amount to give them full advantage of the vitamin/mineral additives. The NSC value is decent, although higher than the TC Low Starch I fed previously. So far, every bag I've bought has not varied from any of the other bags and for the money, I consider Legends better quality than Purina's brands that are in the same feed-type bracket.

    Hope this info helps - sometimes you have to go with what works for the horse and even if it's a feed you don't have faith in, maybe stay with the Strategy until or if you see it not working like it should. However, that being said, if he was coming home to my barn - he would start on Legends :=).
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    We left Purina Strategy (though the horses looked OK on it) because they did not guarantee the ingredients......just the protein content etc. At first it did not matter/we got consistent looking stuff. And then it started to go all over the place.....one bag of feed was green pellets, one was orange pellets, one was brown pellets..........since there got to be such huge fluctuations in the looks of the feed that tells me that the content was widely fluctuating too. So yes, we had mill probelms with consistency. I switched to the Legends 11% and the horses still look good...and no more rainbow bags of feed.



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    Hmmm...I've never had the quality issues mentioned with Purina. Mine have all been consistently the same color/texture/smell/etc.

    When one of my horses was at a boarding facility about 3 years ago, they exclusively fed Legends 11% - he did fine on it. I later moved him to another facility that fed Strategy. I think he had a much brighter and shinier coat on the Strategy.

    After buying my own farm (and another horse!), I brought the boys home and put them them both on Strategy. My first horse has continued to do well, but my second horse - a really easy keeper - was getting too fat on just a handful of it. I needed to seek out feed options for my fat boy and so my feed supplier had the Purina rep to call me and we discussed his body type, forage consumption, work routines, etc and then decided to put my second horse on Purina WellSolve WC. It has 900 calories per pound versus the 1500 calories per pound of the Strategy. I can feed him a bit more too which is more satisfying to him. He has done really well on it and he likes it very well.

    I'd like to add that one of the benefits of going Purina was the availability of the feed representative. She was very willing to speak with me on the phone and was so knowledgeable. I was very impressed with her knowledge of horses, feed, and supplement options!

    So - I'm sticking with the Purina.



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    Camohn is correct. Purina does not guarantee the ingredients. SS does. We feed Legends Performance textured and it is a terrific feed.
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    I think Strategy is a GREAT product. Almost all our horses are on it, and they look great, feel great, have just the right amount of energy, but no one boils over and acts super silly. I feed a realitively small amount, even to the ones I consider "hard keepers". I was skeptical that it would work as well as it has when I decided to try the whole barn on it, but it really has been great. And it is so simple to have one feed that really does meet most of my needs (the ponies in my care get a ration balancer and one of our horses is getting straight oats and an experiment).

    I'm not a huge fan of Legends, honestly. It has always seemed kinda, for lack of a better word, cheap to me, when I compare it side by side to Purina products. It doesn't have the same quality to me that I see, smell, feel with Purina. If I were to feed an SS line (which I would avoid), I would feed Triple Crown long before I would feed Legends.



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    Purina is NOT the only feed company that has put research into their feeds. Progressive Nutrition has put a lot of research into it.

    Some horses do well on Strategy. Some do very poorly. That's been discussed quite a few times right here.

    I have not heard the same widely disparaging remarks about Legends, though I'm sure any given horse could do well or not with it.
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    Perhaps I did not word my "research statement" correctly. Purina Mills is, to my knowledge the only feed company that conducts it's research on their own farm ...and if Progressive Nutrition does have it's own research farm and nutritionists and veterinarians on full time staff, please do correct me...I will happily admit I know nothing about that company.

    And frankly, any Purina nutritionist will tell you that there are other feed companies with good formulas. I certainly was not knocking any one elses choices in feed, just giving my opinion about a quality company whose feeds I've been using since the early nineties, and whose feeds were shipped to Bejing for the USET event riders.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Mach Two View Post
    Perhaps I did not word my "research statement" correctly. Purina Mills is, to my knowledge the only feed company that conducts it's research on their own farm ...and if Progressive Nutrition does have it's own research farm and nutritionists and veterinarians on full time staff, please do correct me...I will happily admit I know nothing about that company.
    Ok, that's better I have no idea of the facilities of PN or TC or Buckeye, etc, but they do research.

    And, FYI, it was only very very recently that Purina came on the market with a low NSC feed (Wellness line), stating they wanted to make sure they'd done their own research, despite having years of research on this "out there" already. Good or bad, that is what they said.

    And frankly, any Purina nutritionist will tell you that there are other feed companies with good formulas. I certainly was not knocking any one elses choices in feed, just giving my opinion about a quality company whose feeds I've been using since the early nineties, and whose feeds were shipped to Bejing for the USET event riders.
    Real world experience says otherwise, as I have heard reps and nutritionists alike knock other products, as well as giving really bad nutritional information, or simply don't know Not saying others don't do that, but Purina's employees aren't squeaky clean
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    Because they put major bucks into the USET coffers, NOT because it is necessarily the best feed out there...

    Purina has brand recognition from their checkerboard logo, and major advertising budgets. Having your own research farm doesn't equate with a better food. I visited their dog research farm years ago. Impressive. But it didn't make me start feeding Purina Dog Chows.

    Don't believe all the hype. But if they work for you, great! Use them. Legends works for us and is NOT "cheap" feed. But we use it because it has proven to give us the results we seek, NOT because a SS nutritionist told us to.

    A Purina nutritionist is not likely to tell you to use something else.
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    Thank you all for your thoughts.

    I have never fed Purina to the horses. DH feeds his performance dogs Purina Pro Plan though and they do super on it. If I were to switch over to Purina - we could have a local supplier deliver the horse and dog feed AND the shavings. It would be a lot less running around for both of us.

    But, I REALLY like my Southern States dealer. Since SS changed the formulation of Legends - it is so much better and more consistent. My horses have dapples from spring to late fall. Winter time they SHINE beautifully. Attitudes are good; work ethic is good; energy level is there when I need it.

    I still have good pasture and feed a good quality Alfalfa/Grass mix hay. This means I don't have to feed a lot (quantity) of processed feeds.

    I'll definately buy a couple bags of Strategy and keep the young'un on it after he comes home at least for a while.

    Does the Strategy use Beet Pulp or Rice Bran? I know that the Legends Performance Pellets uses Rice Bran.

    Thanks again for your help, thoughts, etc.



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    FWIW though we got away from the Purina horse feed we do still feed the Pro Plan to the dogs and they look great on it. The problem with the mills is that some make a consistent feed and some do not as they are not required to put X ingredients in it.....and our local mill was certainly swinging widely.



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    Quote Originally Posted by suniday View Post
    Does the Strategy use Beet Pulp or Rice Bran? I know that the Legends Performance Pellets uses Rice Bran.

    Thanks again for your help, thoughts, etc.
    Legends has beet pulp as an ingredient as well.



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    Quote Originally Posted by lauriep View Post
    Because they put major bucks into the USET coffers, NOT because it is necessarily the best feed out there...

    Purina has brand recognition from their checkerboard logo, and major advertising budgets. Having your own research farm doesn't equate with a better food. I visited their dog research farm years ago. Impressive. But it didn't make me start feeding Purina Dog Chows.

    Don't believe all the hype. But if they work for you, great! Use them. Legends works for us and is NOT "cheap" feed. But we use it because it has proven to give us the results we seek, NOT because a SS nutritionist told us to.

    A Purina nutritionist is not likely to tell you to use something else.
    First thing first, Purina does NOT put major bucks into the USET coffers, the riders choose their own feed programs. There is not "rider sponsorship" by way of money. Secondly, Purina Mills and Purina that does pet foods are two completely separate companies. They have been so for many, many years.
    When I was eventing, and when I was grooming for two different USET event riders, they were feeding Purina and so when I saw their horses' condition improve (these were intermediate and advanced horses...already successful, but showing improved condition and after a few months of Purina feeds. I made my decision to try based on the reslts I was seeing firsthand, and the stayed with my decision based on my own horses' results. Not because a nutritionist told me to.

    I also did not imply that a Purina nutritionist was going to tell anyone to use something else. After all, it is their job to sell for they company they work for. I know for a fact that my husband's policy is to know what the other feed company's feeds are, and when I have asked him, and when I have heard him doing consultations, he does NOT knock anyone else's feed. He does not need to.
    OK I'm done with this. I was only supporting what I know to be true.



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    I love Purina!!! It is great to be able to say that on a BB and not get flamed!! The other BB I go to is owned by SS, I am sure. Seriously, my husband runs a feed store. They are a Purina and SS dealer, and are picking up Nutrena next week. I still feed Purina, even though both other companies are itching to do a feed trial here. I like the fact that Purina does thier own research, while other companies buy thiers. JMHO.



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    A company that does their own research can also sway the results and I can guarantee you everyone does their own research in some form or fashion as well as branch out for independent research.

    I personally think Purina Mills lines of livestock feed are crap (love the dog/cat food though). My horses have always lost coat quality and condition on their feeds, plus I don't like anything without a fixed formula. I'm not too fond of Nutrena either, but these are my opinions.



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    Quote Originally Posted by ponyjumper4 View Post
    I personally think Purina Mills lines of livestock feed are crap (love the dog/cat food though). My horses have always lost coat quality and condition on their feeds, plus I don't like anything without a fixed formula. I'm not too fond of Nutrena either, but these are my opinions.
    FWIW, the "Purina" dog and cat chows are made by Nestle, not Purina. The Exclusive brand Dog and Cat foods are made by Purina.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mach Two View Post
    I also did not imply that a Purina nutritionist was going to tell anyone to use something else. After all, it is their job to sell for they company they work for. I know for a fact that my husband's policy is to know what the other feed company's feeds are, and when I have asked him, and when I have heard him doing consultations, he does NOT knock anyone else's feed. He does not need to.
    OK I'm done with this. I was only supporting what I know to be true.
    I'm saying that while your husband and others might be the good ones, there ARE Purina reps who DO bash other products, as well as give out mis-information and are not terribly educated about feed and horse's needs in general. I'm sure all companies have their bad eggs - Purina is not above that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Im Natives Last View Post
    I like the fact that Purina does thier own research, while other companies buy thiers. JMHO.
    Again, that is not a matter of opinion, that is information that is factually wrong. Don Kappler at Progressive, for example, has done a lot of his own personal research.
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