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    Default Miner's Lamp (TB)

    I just looked at his pedigree and it's incredible. He was available frozen, because Pwynn used him last year.

    Pwynn, how did your foal from him come out this year? Is it everything you'd hoped for?
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    For those that don't know:

    http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/miners+lamp
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    Yeah... he's on my wish list . I may splurge and buy some frozen for my Christmas pressie this year, since Reputed Testamony was my dream man, and he passed before I could get a foal...

    viney, which lines would you like to see him crossed with the most?
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    Please forgive me but I must laugh at myself.

    Our previous vet used to come to the farm at night with a miner's lamp so he could keep his hands free and still work in the dark should there be no electricity.

    I honestly thought when I read the title that I would finally find out where to obtain a "miner's lamp"!
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    For eventing and purely hypothetically, since he is in the lines of so many internationally successful eventers like Biko and Custom Made through (mostly Vimy and Worden), and is doubled top and bottom in Miner's Frolic, I'd look for a mare who brings Wild Risk to the mix through one of those two sons, although Vimy would be a double as in Miner's Frolic. I'd also look to make sure that the Vimy came in through a son if you can, or that the Wild Risk came in through a mare. If you look at Miner's Frolic he does have a sex balanced top and bottom cross to Vimy.

    And a Dollar line which is in Miner's Lamp in Bruleur--sire of Fireplace--twice even. And is in the damline of Vimy.

    Miner's Lamp also comes from a very strong tail female line, so you might want to see if you can find a West Australian line mare--FF3-d
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    Where can you get his semen? Would also love to know how P Wynn's foal turned out.



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    Quote Originally Posted by vineyridge View Post
    For eventing and purely hypothetically, since he is in the lines of so many internationally successful eventers like Biko and Custom Made through (mostly Vimy and Worden), and is doubled top and bottom in Miner's Frolic, I'd look for a mare who brings Wild Risk to the mix through one of those two sons, although Vimy would be a double as in Miner's Frolic. I'd also look to make sure that the Vimy came in through a son if you can, or that the Wild Risk came in through a mare. If you look at Miner's Frolic he does have a sex balanced top and bottom cross to Vimy.

    And a Dollar line which is in Miner's Lamp in Bruleur--sire of Fireplace--twice even. And is in the damline of Vimy.

    Miner's Lamp also comes from a very strong tail female line, so you might want to see if you can find a West Australian line mare--FF3-d
    But Viney there's a lot more going on in his pedigree than Wild Risk way back wouldn't you say?



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    Every line in Miner's Lamp's pedigree is exceptionally strong. The reason I focused on Wild Risk is his success in eventing lines, the fact that Miner's Frolics only five generation double is to him, and the fact that many of the other lines are almost not available in the US. You CAN find Wild Risk here.

    Tiki on this board has a Bold Bidder mare who would be an interesting cross with Miner's Lamp because she has a couple of lines to Big Game/Bahram. Since Bold Bidder is also great in event horse lines, that would be a very interesting possibility. I just did a pedigree analysis on Bidder's Issue today, and she has several common lines through Vaguely Noble, plus Dante and Nasrullah were both Nearco sons who definitely passed on jumping talent.

    But Wild Risk carries the Dollar line blood that is so powerful when it comes to jumping horses, and that bloodline is probably my very favorite. And it's well proved in event horses.
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    I talked to Christine at EMCO tonight, and she said that they are looking for folks to pre-order the Miner's Lamp semen this year since the export/import costs are so high... besides the fact that his semen is in limited supply! I have been eyeing him for YEARS. Figures I'd wait until after one of his get did a lovely job at the Olympics...

    viney - thank you for that! I am so fascinated by bloodlines, but am not nearly as knowledgeable as you are! Your posts are a great tutorial.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vineyridge View Post
    I just looked at his pedigree and it's incredible. He was available frozen, because Pwynn used him last year.

    Pwynn, how did your foal from him come out this year? Is it everything you'd hoped for?
    Ah, I have TWO lovely beasties by him, viney! One looks just like his picture (er, quite pudgy, alas!). The one pictured in that article on me has darkened to near black and I swear to the heavens looks and moves so warmbloody, he's like a freak on my place. The other looks all TB (i.e. all LEGS), but has a huge stride. The warmbloody one is NOT warmbloody in temperament--he's wound very tight, which is probably due to my bloodlines in there (the way ah like 'em!). The TB one is laid back and easy. Actually, both have their mom's temperaments. Chrissy's foals have all been easy, Mel's all are tough.

    BTW, Karen O'Connor has a foal due by Miner's Lamp for 2009.

    I took video of them a while back, but I can't find it now--and it sucked anyway. But believe me, the Teddy half-sib really does have the movement anyone would want to see in a modern, sporthorse foal. I wish I could find more offspring to compare, but so far, I've only found one 15.3h mare in England (a picture of her grazing, so it's no help). I haven't found any pictures of the other four-star event horse he produced. Maybe now that Miner's Frolic has won bronze, more people have posted stuff online in the UK?
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    A full sister to Miners Frolic, a mare named Mighty Oats, went though the sales ring at Doncaster the year before last. Here's her page.



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    Oh, that reminds me of something folks may not be aware of in terms of Miner's Lamp's get: a LOT have been steeplechasers. So, there's some gotta be a pretty consistent good jump in there. Plus, Miner's Frolic is 17hh (and a gorgeous mover), so the old dead guy can throw some size, too, in spite of having been only 16.0h himself.

    Also, Christine knows her stuff, if you're considering the frozen. Mel's old, so it took a bit to get her settled, but Chrissy took on one try.
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    pwyn - how much do you mean by "a bit"? One of the mares I'd love to breed to Miner's Lamp is older also - she is in foal at the moment, after one try (with some management - flushing, etc), but that was LC...
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    The daughter (Mist of Diamonds) of my Bold Bidder mare that Viney very, very graciously helped me with is by O'Leary's Irish Diamond, who with only 6 months jumper training (although he was already doing PSG dressage successfully) won a modified open and an open jumping championship with Rob Gage up. The King of Diamonds line has a long list of jumpers it's produced, and OLID's sire, Glidawn Diamond is the sire of Coolcorran Cool Diamond, who is to die for. Mist of Diamonds won a couple of BN trials and won 1st place with Joe Fargis as a judge in a hunter class. She placed well in the part Irish class against horses much older and more experienced than she, and she placed 4th at Dressage at Devon in the Maiden Mares Class against some of the top-bred WB mares in the country. Sounds like she would be an absolutely super cross for this boy for an eventer. Mist of Diamonds
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    Tiki - do it!!!! They sound like they would be a lovely cross

    BTW, love your Mist of Diamonds!! She's a very pretty girl. I also have a King of Diamonds ISH - my 2 year old colt is by It's The Luck of The Irish who is by Flagmount King. He is a SUPER boy - so easy to deal with. I haven't backed him yet as he's been growing like a weed (he's already pushing 16.3 at two and a half) but he is so calm and sensible about everything I do with him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AppJumpr08 View Post
    pwyn - how much do you mean by "a bit"? One of the mares I'd love to breed to Miner's Lamp is older also - she is in foal at the moment, after one try (with some management - flushing, etc), but that was LC...
    Three tries--but there were a LOT of factors involved that had an impact...and sometimes, it's just a mystery anyway, y'know? But I've had three out of four (including the old mare the next year) go through Christine's frozen semen protocol and catch on one try, so that's a pretty good record in my mind (one mare absorbed it later, however).
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    Quote Originally Posted by SakHill View Post
    Please forgive me but I must laugh at myself.

    Our previous vet used to come to the farm at night with a miner's lamp so he could keep his hands free and still work in the dark should there be no electricity.

    I honestly thought when I read the title that I would finally find out where to obtain a "miner's lamp"!
    psstt - SakHill - you can get really cool headlamps at any hiking/outdoors type store like REI. They are Awesome for taking care of horses, even in locations with electricity. I wish I'd found them ten years earlier.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pwynnnorman View Post
    Three tries--but there were a LOT of factors involved that had an impact...and sometimes, it's just a mystery anyway, y'know? But I've had three out of four (including the old mare the next year) go through Christine's frozen semen protocol and catch on one try, so that's a pretty good record in my mind (one mare absorbed it later, however).
    Thank you for that! I'm *REALLY* tempted to try breeding my older mare to him, and we've had some issues in the past with her conceiving... but this year, when she was flushed and given oxytocin she caught on the first try... so I'm sorely tempted. I've been pestering Chrstine with all sorts of questions the past couple of days, so I'm sure we'll get something figured out
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    He has been on my wish list for a while too.
    The mare I wanted to breed to him was/is A Fine Romance's older full sister. But she is not a good candidate for frozen and is 20 this year.
    I am thinking it would also make a great cross to my young A Fine Romance daughter, Tuscany Romance who is out of my good mare Macassa (by Same Direction out of Wet Blue (Arg). This filly is a full-sister to My Romance/Southbound.

    Both AFR and his sister have Bold Bidder up close since their sire, Brave Shot (GB) is by Bold Bidder (out of Gay Missile by Sir Gaylord.

    I am planning to aim this filly for the YEH series this year, but you never know.....

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