Has anyone ever heard of this "method" or this farrier?
Edited to Add:
It have been brought to my intention that some people who read this post as it as originally stated came to the conclusion that the barn where the Parelli endorsed Natural Stride Farrier was working in this area is a "Parelli barn." I wish to clarify that the barn is a Parelli-friendly barn and it is not required to practice Parelli methods to board there.
Last edited by Daydream Believer; Jan. 1, 2009 at 09:32 PM.
Healthy Stride shoes or trims according to the entire equine body instead of just the hoof. Our goal is to achieve perfect posture and symmetry (Zero Balance™), allowing the horse to move freely and soundly.
This is a potential warning flag to me because you cannot achieve perfect posture through trimming, only through correct training which in turn will have a positive affect on hoof wear anf form! The trimming should assist this process, but cannot create it. I still believe that the hoof capsule primarily needs to be balanced according to internal hoof structures - period!
The trimming should assist this process, but cannot create it. I still believe that the hoof capsule primarily needs to be balanced according to internal hoof structures - period!
Agreed...In my experience and training, the hoof structure and what it takes to create the correct movement dynamics working within the diameters of the hoof's structure will determine how I trim/balance the hoof. 99% of the time, doing so, helps horses with poor posture and bad movement. Unlike some people, I would never make a correction so quickly as to harm/hurt/draw blood to achieve that goal.
Last edited by Daydream Believer; Dec. 31, 2008 at 02:09 PM.
Yes, one can definitely screw up the posture by leaving heels and toes too long for example, but the shoulder differences shown on the website are primarily related to side dominance and not how the horse is trimmed. The dominant shoulder generally shows more muscle developemt for obvious reasons - it is simply used more
Most body deviations suggested on the evaluation form are usually created by musculo-skeletal imbalances that may or may not be exacerbated by hoof form!
It is a slick professional looking website but this just sounds snake-oily to me. What if the horse needs a chiropractic adjustment to level out its back end ? Instead they go with the trimmer who "levels out" the backend thru trimming. It sounds to me like this could set off a chain of events that would be really complicated to diagnose and fix.
east central Illinois and working north to the 'burbs
What a crock. PT Barnum would be proud!
They are advocating/performing no differently than any well trained and qualified farrier(I can't speak for those of the BUA persuasion because, well, because I'm a farrier. )
From a customer standpoint, filling out a form is good PR.
Every horse, new client or old client, that walks up onto my mats gets a full look-over and if the owner or his/her agent is present, they are questioned about anything I find out of the ordinary. If not present, then it gets noted on their bill.
I suppose that if you are "Parelli inclined", then having a farrier who has been blessed by Parelli would give you lots of warm fuzzies and strokes and lift a great burden from your mind because you'd know your horse was in good hoof care hands. Or not.
Fortunately for me, my clients/customers are, generally speaking, not so easily duped.
I have no idea whether he's better at his job than anybody else. BUT, a number of the trimming protocols out there do tend to ignore the rest of the horse (especially the legs) and go for a "perfect hoof". If this guy hadn't attached the Parrelli name to his ideas would you like it better?
Yes, a good trimmer/farrier takes the entire horse into account. This guy has a slick way of selling it.
Personally, I'd be curious to watch him work and see what I think of his results. I'll bring my own beverage, though.
LMH, have any pictures? I'm familiar with Esco Buff's ideas about limb length disparity leading to club feet in the front. He watched the horse move down the aisle from many viewing points, including above to try to pinpoint what was wrong in the horse's body. The horse kind of snaked along in that nothing was straight.
He then wedged the hind feet (determined the problem originated in the hindquarts) to change his posture. Only then did he shoe the fronts. I was unable to stay for that part so I don't know whether either front foot was wedged. The owner was supposed to have chiropractic work done ASAP and massage, and over time, the need for wedges would go away and the foot would stop trying to compensate for a problem in the shoulder--that is, it would stop being a club foot.
The owner wasn't able to follow the protocol and the local farrier thought it was a crock, so I couldn't say whether it would have worked. Bummer.
The healthy-stride guy does shimming? Somehow, I missed that on his web site.
Yes he does shimming-he will shim say, the lateral side of the Right rear...or the medial side of the right front-or the entire foot...all depending on where the body is not balanced.
It sounds good on paper but if you SAW these horses move you would shudder.
I had photos that someone emailed to me of Remmer (Linda's horse) and I have the (I think) September and October Savvy club DVDs where you can REALLY see the impact on the movement.
I did not save the photos of Remmer.
If you do a search on youtube of the Parelli tour promotions or clips from tour stops from the past year or so you may be able to catch a glimpse of his feet.
They are so deformed looking (or were-I have not seen anything recent) that it just is jaw dropping.
A fellow hoof care friend saw him live in August and was in shock at how bad they bad.
And as I mentioned I saw one horse with half shim on-he was nearly crippled on sand and even worse when his feet hit concrete.
I honestly could not tell you what it does long term-BUT the problem *I* have is the discomfort during the process-it makes a horse totally body sore and short strided for the 'long term good' when it can be addressed without doing it.
The problem as BTR mentions-and I really agree (with the additions I noted)-is the body balance is not fixed through the body!
It is NO different in my eyes than removing the bars to decontract a hoof. Wrong solution for the issue.
I actually have an article on my website that I wrote for The Horses Hoof that talks about hoof imbalances as a reflection of body imbalances-granted it focuses on bare hooves but the concepts should NOT be news to anyone with horses-bare or shod.
This is not barefoot biased...I am really certain any of our well respected and vocal farriers on this forum would agree with what I concluded from what I saw.
Someone may want to run a search on horseshoes-I can bet you it has been discussed over there.