Help guessing mares color? Updated with dna results post 48
I was hoping to get some opinions to the color of our 1/2 welsh mare Kahlooa N Kreme. She is a three year old and we have just started her under saddle training. She is by the Cremello Sec.A Welsh stallion Creme De Mint. I am aSSuming she is a buckskin but wondering if she may carry the silver gene as well. She has change her colors a trillion times it seems. We just recently body clipped her as she will start going out to some schooling shows soon. We were amazed at the color she turned out. I love it and hope it is a reflection of what color she will end up. Or will she be a chameleon the rest of her life...Any ways would love some input. I am thinking of sending out hair samples to be tested. It would just be neat to know what color she is considered.
I own a silver buckskin APHA mare. Looking at the "pre-clip" photos I'd say your mare could very well be silver. Cream tends to "cancel out" silver's effects a bit. The only way to really know is to test!
She really reminds me of my mare's dam. She is a silver buckskin as well.
I didn't own the mare although I do have a picture of her from her breeder. I believe she is a qh type pony but I don't know her breeding or her pedigree. I do know that the mare has one of the best dispositions I have ever seen on a pony. But who knows what is lurking back in her pedigee either. You mare and filly are beautiful. Thank you for the responce. http://www1.snapfish.com/slideshow/A...60/t_=98790260
Thank you! Angel is a horse of a different color for sure...
Looking at your mare's dam, I can tell you for sure that silver wouldn't have came from her. Silver shows on all black-based horses (Which includes blacks, bays, buckskins, smoky blacks and browns.) I see no silver traits on that mare whatsoever.
Silver would have had to come from the stallion. Silver "hides" on red-based horses. (I.E., a sorrel, chestnut, palomino and cremello can carry silver but you wouldn't be able to tell by looking at the horse.) Silver does exist in the Welsh breed though it is pretty rare.
You can read more about silver on my friend's website:
She is buckskin. It is the only color she can be as she is obviously not palomino nor is she smoky black. She may have gotten the silver gene from her sire along with the creme gene, but you would have to look at him and his parents to be sure. There are HUGE variations in the buckskin color and many change color from season to season. For example our stallion QuickGoldBucks(he is body clipped in his most recent pics) and his foals Amber's Saucy Gold and Goldenwing
I am just starting to learn all the differences in these colors. The reason I thought she might me a siver was that I was told that because her black points on her legs we diluted to a Chocolate color that she might be considered a Silver buckskin. Also she has very amber colored eyes. She is the first Buckskin I have owned and did not realize the we soooo many variations. Thanks for all the input It has been very helpful.
The presence of a dorsal stripe alone does not indicate dun (which is an entirely separate color modifier gene); it is very common for buckskins and bays to have dorsal stripes due to counter-shading (aka sooty or smutty). So, I still vote strongly for Buckskin.
It is sad to say but I will have to double check today when I am at the farm. I dont believe so though. I was painting her hooves yesterday and noticed that she had stripes on them ...almost how an appy would. But I am pretty sure there isn't any appy in there.LOL
All her legs are a chocolate color when they are not clipped and I think that may be why the breeder thought she could posiblely care the silver gene. It is all very interesting. Thanks so much for all the links. it is very neat to see all the different shades out there.
Quick question. If I send off her hair to be tested, do they only test againt the silver gene or will I have a definate answer of what her color is even if it's doesn't end up being silver?
I bred the pony in question, and her color was an enigma for a long time (she went through some dramatic changes as she grew), until the stallion produced a foal out of a homozygous black mare that was chocolate with a flaxen mane and tail that could only have been a silver dapple. My Mother owns the stallion, and although we have encouraged her to test him for the silver gene to confirm our suspicions, she just hasn't gotten to it yet....
There is a test for the silver gene..... I would LOVE you for to have her tested because the silver gene could not have come from her dam.... so if its there (which I strongly believe it is) that would confirm that it is coming from Mint. They do it here: http://www.animalgenetics.us/Silver.htm
Hey Wendy and thank for posting. We are so excited about LuLu's first show. She is coming alond so nicely. I am definatly gonna send her sample out as I am just as curious as ever. Plus it would be neat to know when I go to bred her. Thanks for evry ones input. this is fun!!!