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    Default Barefoot Performance -thanks CoTH!

    Having completed the CoTH online survey and received my free 3 month online sub, I was very happy to read about Jillan Santi and Starwars TOF, the barefoot Haflinger gelding. They won the amateur Prix St. Georges at the Great American/USDF Region 6 Championships. Yay!

    Fill out the survey if you haven't already and read for yourself!

    http://www.chronofhorse.com/index.ph...32310083982642

    *Can't help stirring the pot*



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    Excellent!



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    WOW 3rd level on a Halflinger! Next thing you know they'll have a Shire in there competing barefoot.



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    One snowflake does not a blizzard make........



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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Bloomer, CF, RJF View Post
    WOW 3rd level on a Halflinger! Next thing you know they'll have a Shire in there competing barefoot.
    There actually was a Percheron who went GP, and I've seen beautiful footage of his halfbred daughter. No, not typical at all, but... Whether or not she was barefoot I can't say.

    I'm surprised there aren't many barefoot dressage horses around. It's not eventing.



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    I'm impressed a Haflinger is doing Prix St. Georges, barefoot OR shod. And Rick, I really don't want to see a blizzard of Haflingers! Or were you referring to the fact that the horse is competing barefoot?



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    Red face

    Oh Darn!! I filled it out then went straight to that very article. It told me I had to have a paid subscription for access...hmmm what did I not do properly? Or does "invisible" carry over to the subscription , too??
    "My treasures do not sparkle or glitter, they shine in the sunlight and nicker to me in the night"



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    Quote Originally Posted by hoofrx1 View Post
    One snowflake does not a blizzard make........
    You are in danger of freezing to death! How many barefoot performance horses have to exist before it "counts"?



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    Quote Originally Posted by grayarabpony View Post
    I'm surprised there aren't many barefoot dressage horses around. It's not eventing.
    A lot of times shoes are used in dressage to get more knee action. It's all about the movement.

    I've done up to training level eventing on a barefoot horse. I've ridden shod horses on grass and pavement, and it felt so insecure in comparison. I bet the Toms will have an excuse for why my experiences don't count.



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    Quote Originally Posted by hoofrx1 View Post
    One snowflake does not a blizzard make........
    Unless you live in Georgia.



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    Quote Originally Posted by lalahartma1 View Post
    Having completed the CoTH online survey and received my free 3 month online sub, I was very happy to read about Jillan Santi and Starwars TOF, the barefoot Haflinger gelding. They won the amateur Prix St. Georges at the Great American/USDF Region 6 Championships. Yay!

    Fill out the survey if you haven't already and read for yourself!

    http://www.chronofhorse.com/index.ph...32310083982642

    *Can't help stirring the pot*

    If I shod any dressage horse,; they would be bare(conumdrum)! No big deal considering it's a Haflinger. 1/2" of hoof wall and usually a #2 shoe on the avg.
    Your not "stirring the pot" ; just uninformed of breed/ foot conformations. JMO



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    Quote Originally Posted by canticle View Post
    A lot of times shoes are used in dressage to get more knee action. It's all about the movement.
    Uhhh, no? Dressage is not about the knee action. Too much knee action is detrimental to Dressage-correct movement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by canticle View Post
    You are in danger of freezing to death! How many barefoot performance horses have to exist before it "counts"?
    You mean "successful" barefoot performance horses don't you?

    Regardless, many more than now currently exist.

    And, not to worry, I have my forge, a goodly supply of propane, lots of shoes to heat up, and a rather full book. I am in no danger of freezing to death. Especially considering the number of BUAtista and BUAtista wanna-bes whose work keeps sending more and more horses my way.



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    Even though the OP clearly stated it was a Haflinger, my mind was picturing a Norwegian Fjord. I was seriously having trouble with that image. Don't get me wrong, I love Fjords. It's just hard to picture one doing high-level dressage.

    It's much, much easier to picture a Haffie doing it. And I agree with JB; the ones I've seen have awesome feet.



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    Quote Originally Posted by JB View Post
    Uhhh, no? Dressage is not about the knee action. Too much knee action is detrimental to Dressage-correct movement.
    Thank you.

    The competitive dressage riders I know say that shoeing improves the gaits. My experience has been the same. Most any of their horses could easily "do" the movements barefoot, but they can "do" the movements better shod.

    They are competitive professionals. They aren't wealthy, so do not spend money on unnecessary things, but do whatever is necessary to help their horses perform their best. And their horses' feet are beautiful.



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    Quote Originally Posted by matryoshka View Post
    Even though the OP clearly stated it was a Haflinger, my mind was picturing a Norwegian Fjord. I was seriously having trouble with that image. Don't get me wrong, I love Fjords. It's just hard to picture one doing high-level dressage.

    It's much, much easier to picture a Haffie doing it. And I agree with JB; the ones I've seen have awesome feet.
    Ha! I knew a Fjord that won a pretty high level championship -- don't recall which state, but he was a talented pony.



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    Quote Originally Posted by lalahartma1 View Post
    Fill out the survey if you haven't already and read for yourself!

    http://www.chronofhorse.com/index.ph...32310083982642

    *Can't help stirring the pot*
    You're a very bad girl.

    Alas, I too don't find the survey offer. I am not worthy.



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    Quote Originally Posted by LarkspurCO View Post
    Thank you.

    The competitive dressage riders I know say that shoeing improves the gaits. My experience has been the same. Most any of their horses could easily "do" the movements barefoot, but they can "do" the movements better shod.

    They are competitive professionals. They aren't wealthy, so do not spend money on unnecessary things, but do whatever is necessary to help their horses perform their best. And their horses' feet are beautiful.
    How would you know if you have never seriously ridden a Dressage horse barefoot? Actually the horses have more suspension when bare, which logically makes sense , because the flexion and expansion of the hoof capsule, which increases the suspension of the step, is not interferred with by shoes.

    I remember seeing this horribly contracted and unhealthy hind foot in an eggbar shoe of an upper level Dressage horse in a joint supplement commercial.........definitely NOT healthy.



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    Quote Originally Posted by LarkspurCO View Post
    Thank you.

    The competitive dressage riders I know say that shoeing improves the gaits. My experience has been the same. Most any of their horses could easily "do" the movements barefoot, but they can "do" the movements better shod.

    They are competitive professionals. They aren't wealthy, so do not spend money on unnecessary things, but do whatever is necessary to help their horses perform their best. And their horses' feet are beautiful.
    I know a few dressage riders who think this way, and they generally are not very educated about hoof health or dressage. The more knowledgeable dressage riders (the ones who don't care so much about ribbons) will do whatever is best for the horse.

    In Europe shoeing is used to get the big knee action. That is what sells at the auctions. In the States, people usually shoe their horses because they don't want to be the odd man out or risk the wrath of the Toms.



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    Quote Originally Posted by hoofrx1 View Post
    You mean "successful" barefoot performance horses don't you?

    Regardless, many more than now currently exist.

    And, not to worry, I have my forge, a goodly supply of propane, lots of shoes to heat up, and a rather full book. I am in no danger of freezing to death. Especially considering the number of BUAtista and BUAtista wanna-bes whose work keeps sending more and more horses my way.
    I have no idea what your crazy acronyms and abbreviations mean, so I will assume that you are trying to compliment me?

    Since I spend my time around horses instead performing metalwork on horseshoes, I actually get a chance to see what is going on around me! I have lost count of the number of successful barefoot horses I have come across. It's such a non-issue for a horse to be barefoot, that I don't keep track. Likewise, I don't keep track of the bay horses. Do you?

    The Toms have realized that their livelihood is threatened by people choosing an alternative to metal shoes. They admit that they do not care about the horse. They admit that they will deny the benefits of alternative methods, no matter what the evidence. Is there really anything more to discuss?



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