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    Default My new "lightbulb" moment put into action... lots of pics and videos.

    I went XC schooling yesterday at the show location (show is November 9th). We had fun... both of us came back tired but happy (we schooled for about 3 hours) and I'm really sore today. After the clinic I attended on Monday, I've been working on my position. Now, you can't build Rome in a day, but I think I'm getting better... but still have alot of work to do.

    I still need to push my lower leg forward a bit more... and more often. And close my hip angle some more.

    Here are all the pics:
    http://kentuckyrider.com/Gallery/10-18-08-FC-School

    But to break down a few:
    http://kentuckyrider.com/Gallery/10-...chool/IMG_1899
    (I'm still jumping ahead and my lower leg slipped back, but this is better. And I'm looking ahead!)
    http://kentuckyrider.com/Gallery/10-...chool/IMG_1902
    http://kentuckyrider.com/Gallery/10-...chool/IMG_1903
    (I like these... I look more centered and my leg is forward, I'm sitting lightly in the saddle and I'm sitting up w/ my shoulders back and better hand position)
    http://kentuckyrider.com/Gallery/10-...chool/IMG_1920
    (again, this one is better than what I used to do... but still need to close my hip angle more and push my lower leg forward... still an improvement)
    http://kentuckyrider.com/Gallery/10-...chool/IMG_1937
    (I like this shot as it shows me pushing my lower leg forward, scooting my butt back and closing my hip angle)
    http://kentuckyrider.com/Gallery/10-...chool/IMG_2043
    http://kentuckyrider.com/Gallery/10-...chool/IMG_2044
    (These two are just cheesy.... LOL Our first time doing water... if you watch the video clips... it was a battle!)
    http://kentuckyrider.com/Gallery/10-...chool/IMG_2070
    (handsome boy)

    Okay... now on to the video clips:

    Here are all the clips... they are under 10.18.08 FC School (1-16):
    http://www.youtube.com/user/lsm1212

    Now to break down a few again:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEnLFpLU1VE
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oon5_Avm8-k
    (I like these two as my lower leg stayed still)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlMsu2DdH-s
    (Not as good... the first jump took me by surprise... was a bit higher than I thought... but still better in my eyes)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xq8h7oq3m90
    (Better but over a smaller log)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDzAj0P7MTA
    (Again, better... over a coop)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPf-NUB9vIQ
    (walking up the bank)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pb-Dt1Cagdo
    (3 jumps together.... better but still need work)

    These are the water complex. We've never done water before and I knew Stitch HATES water. It's hard just to get him to go through a puddle in the arena:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWyfC7fHosU
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Agfi_4VLFlI
    (Nope Mom.. just ain't gonna do it)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7XRJ9SPiyM
    (Trainer hand walked him in, then got on and walked around)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7oHxZ3TVqo
    (Throwing a hissy fit with Trainer, but since she's more experienced than I am... he finally went in... Good boy)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPqv_TUsK3k
    (Still with Trainer... thought if he spooked at the bush, that would get her to leave him alone! LOL But he went in without issue)

    I got on him after the last water clip... and he went in for me w/o problems.

    So.... there you go. Feel free to comment, etc. Again, I know I still have alot to work on but at least looking at these, I have hope that I can fix my issues!

    PS - Just for reference, here are some pics from August:
    http://kentuckyrider.com/Gallery/08-...-Show/IMG_1826
    http://kentuckyrider.com/Gallery/08-...-Show/IMG_1825
    http://kentuckyrider.com/Gallery/Pro-Pics/SS80589D
    http://kentuckyrider.com/Gallery/Pro-Pics/SS80519B

    Thanks!



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    Looks like you were having a great time. Who did you clinic with that aided in this lightbulb moment?



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    Quote Originally Posted by Crazy Eventer View Post
    Looks like you were having a great time. Who did you clinic with that aided in this lightbulb moment?
    http://chronicleforums.com/Forum/sho...d.php?t=171291




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    Well, I think you've come a long, long way. You are OUTSIDE, Stitch has made a recovery from that vexing injury that ate up a whole year, and the two of you are having fun. What more could you ask for?
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    The improvement compared to Aug is amazing! Not just on the leg but it looks like securing it has helped you wait a bit more with your upper body.

    Has anybody ever suggested you shorten your stirrups a hole or two to get a little more bend in the knee? I like to see about 90° when sitting.



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    Quote Originally Posted by ReSomething View Post
    Well, I think you've come a long, long way. You are OUTSIDE, Stitch has made a recovery from that vexing injury that ate up a whole year, and the two of you are having fun. What more could you ask for?
    Very true... And you can see, Stitch LOVES doing this. And I'm figuring it out... slowly but surely.

    Quote Originally Posted by subk View Post
    The improvement compared to Aug is amazing! Not just on the leg but it looks like securing it has helped you wait a bit more with your upper body.

    Has anybody ever suggested you shorten your stirrups a hole or two to get a little more bend in the knee? I like to see about 90° when sitting.
    I would like to shorten them a little bit more but my Orthopedic doctor (who rides also) has told me for my knee issues (I get them injected, unfortunately) to keep them slightly lower as not to bend my knee (especially the left one) too much. Puts too much strain on it. They are actually about 2 holes shorter than I used to ride in. I've been trying to slowly put them up as I can tolerate it. I'm going to try and put them up one more hole this week and see how it goes.

    But I have been told, because I'm only doing the "little" stuff... that the length is okay.

    I can definately feel and see the difference of fixing my lower leg... it seems all the other things fall into place once I do that (closing my hip angle, scooting my butt back, etc). And I felt a TON more secure than in the past.

    Thanks!
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    well your getting there and big improvment but as there always a but

    boot him up on his hinds as well as his fronts for x/c and any jumping up to you if you have fet lock boots or hind leg jumping boots
    i like the calrendon ones
    always protect all legs and not just the front legs when jumping



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    The school looks like fun! In regards to the knee angle/torque thing. I highly suggest you try a pair of the MDC Ultimate stirrups. The ones with both the flex and the moveable eye. They have made all the difference in the world to me and my arthritic knees. I find that the moveable eye lets me get rid of the torque that was causing me pain when riding in jumping length stirrups. They are pricey, but you won't regret it!



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    Quote Originally Posted by goeslikestink View Post
    well your getting there and big improvment but as there always a but

    boot him up on his hinds as well as his fronts for x/c and any jumping up to you if you have fet lock boots or hind leg jumping boots
    i like the calrendon ones
    always protect all legs and not just the front legs when jumping
    Thanks... I do have the hind boot version too (these are Woof boots). He isn't real thrilled about wearing boots to begin with (we came from Hunters where he never wore boots). If he "knocks" at all it's always in the front hence why I do put the front ones on even though he protests. If and when we start doing bigger... I'll put the hind ones on.

    Quote Originally Posted by badawg View Post
    The school looks like fun! In regards to the knee angle/torque thing. I highly suggest you try a pair of the MDC Ultimate stirrups. The ones with both the flex and the moveable eye. They have made all the difference in the world to me and my arthritic knees. I find that the moveable eye lets me get rid of the torque that was causing me pain when riding in jumping length stirrups. They are pricey, but you won't regret it!
    Wowzer... you weren't kidding about the price ($200). I do use the jointed ones already (Dover knock offs). They do help verses the regular ones. Maybe I'll put them on my Christmas wish list?



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    I'm so effin' proud of you!!

    At this point, I'm tempted to say "who gives a damn" about your leg - you're jumping XC!!! Alas, I know it's important to you. Just keep on practicing and it will get more solid. In some of your video, it looks like you need to get more weight in your heels. You get up on your toes just a tad which then pitches you forward.

    I jump ahead hopelessly too, but what one trainer told me (a def. "lightbulb" moment for me) was to think about your heels going over the fence before anything else. This achieved me keeping my heels down and waiting.

    We're both long-legged gals, and even in my short stirrups a good portion of my leg is below the apex of my horse's barrel. The result is that the area of contact is diminished. If I had a more slab-sided horse it would be easier. So I have to work twice as hard to have a tight leg and stay balanced. I suspect this could be an issue for you too. Everyone thinks it's great to be tall, but in jumping I think you can be too tall and leggy.

    So nice to Stitch in a running martingale - he looks like an eventer!!! ;-)



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    Quote Originally Posted by BigMick View Post
    I'm so effin' proud of you!!

    At this point, I'm tempted to say "who gives a damn" about your leg - you're jumping XC!!! Alas, I know it's important to you. Just keep on practicing and it will get more solid. In some of your video, it looks like you need to get more weight in your heels. You get up on your toes just a tad which then pitches you forward.
    Thanks BigMick.... you of all people know what an accomplishment this is. Remember the days when I hesitantly followed you in the turn out field? I'm trying not to obsess about my lower leg... but now that I know what it feels like to have it more forward (along w/ scooting my butt back and closing my hip angle more) and how much more secure I felt... I'd like to keep it that way! Makes me more brave. Heck, I might even try BN next year. But I know Rome wasn't built in a day... so I'll keep chugging along.

    Quote Originally Posted by BigMick View Post
    I jump ahead hopelessly too, but what one trainer told me (a def. "lightbulb" moment for me) was to think about your heels going over the fence before anything else. This achieved me keeping my heels down and waiting.
    Weight more in my heels... check. Great visual BTW... thanks. Heels first.

    Quote Originally Posted by BigMick View Post
    We're both long-legged gals, and even in my short stirrups a good portion of my leg is below the apex of my horse's barrel. The result is that the area of contact is diminished. If I had a more slab-sided horse it would be easier. So I have to work twice as hard to have a tight leg and stay balanced. I suspect this could be an issue for you too. Everyone thinks it's great to be tall, but in jumping I think you can be too tall and leggy.
    Yep.. it would help if he were taller/wider or I was shorter. I do feel that part of the reason my leg goes back so much is that I'm "searching" for him and trying to find that contact. But I've been trying really hard to stop that habit. As long as he's more forward, I don't do it as much. So we've been working hard on that... ie. Go forward, damn it!

    Quote Originally Posted by BigMick View Post
    So nice to Stitch in a running martingale - he looks like an eventer!!! ;-)
    Ya think? I agree he looks very handsome in his new Eventer gear. I keep saying to Lynn, "He's a Hunter, remember." And she replies, "Nah... he's going to make a great Eventer". I then retort, "He's going to do both!"

    Done any riding lately? Is Andrea doing Octoberfest? I saw the forecast... doesn't look good.



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    You guys look so much better...and look at you out of the arena. Big props for that.

    You're right, your lower leg does look a ton better....BUT, you need to continue working on getting weight into your heels. You are very grippy with your knees and stop all your weight there. It's what causes the drastic swing of August and the general appearance of looseness even in the much improved current videos. It probably also makes you feel very insecure. If Stitch stumbled or decided to spook on landing, you'd be toast.

    I'm glad to hear 'booty back' is finally making sense. I seem to remember a thread or two from quite some time back recommending you stick your booty out the back door, but sometimes it takes a clinician to give you the lightbulb moment.

    Keep up the good work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RugBug View Post
    You guys look so much better...and look at you out of the arena. Big props for that.

    You're right, your lower leg does look a ton better....BUT, you need to continue working on getting weight into your heels. You are very grippy with your knees and stop all your weight there. It's what causes the drastic swing of August and the general appearance of looseness even in the much improved current videos. It probably also makes you feel very insecure. If Stitch stumbled or decided to spook on landing, you'd be toast.

    I'm glad to hear 'booty back' is finally making sense. I seem to remember a thread or two from quite some time back recommending you stick your booty out the back door, but sometimes it takes a clinician to give you the lightbulb moment.

    Keep up the good work.
    Thanks... yep, we're out of the arena. And having fun! This is definately something I'm going to work on this winter. I just did the clinic a week ago and then rode 2 times before this schooling. So, for me to see and feel a difference, in just a few rides.. imagine how good I'll be after a few months! *snicker snicker*

    I've heard booty back so many times... but it just wasn't registering. And I can't explain what the clinician did or how she said these things or if my brain was just ready to hear it... on why all of a sudden I just got it.



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    Quote Originally Posted by LSM1212 View Post
    Done any riding lately? Is Andrea doing Octoberfest? I saw the forecast... doesn't look good.

    I've been riding Solo a couple of times a week since Jack was four weeks old. I popped him (Solo, not Jack) over a few jumps on Friday (jumping ahead with leg swinging I'm sure!) and let me tell you my quads were SORE! I hadn't hiked up the stirrups that short for awhile.

    No Octoberfest for us. Jumpstart was the last event of the season. We might do a couple of dressage shows or something like that if the weather holds out.



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    Quote Originally Posted by BigMick View Post
    I've been riding Solo a couple of times a week since Jack was four weeks old. I popped him (Solo, not Jack) over a few jumps on Friday (jumping ahead with leg swinging I'm sure!) and let me tell you my quads were SORE! I hadn't hiked up the stirrups that short for awhile.

    No Octoberfest for us. Jumpstart was the last event of the season. We might do a couple of dressage shows or something like that if the weather holds out.
    Oh darn.... I think you should pop Jack over a few jumps! With Solo!

    I think most are skipping Octoberfest as they went to Jumpstart. T & C aren't going either.

    See you soon!



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    Quote Originally Posted by LSM1212 View Post
    Very true... I would like to shorten them a little bit more but my Orthopedic doctor (who rides also) has told me for my knee issues (I get them injected, unfortunately) to keep them slightly lower as not to bend my knee (especially the left one) too much. Puts too much strain on it.
    That's great that you are already getting them shorter than the use to be!

    Of course, I don't know what your issues are, but I also struggle with knee problems too. I have found that biking has done amazing things for my knees. I suspect it's the stregthening of the quads that takes some of the strain off the joint.

    Someone suggested imagining taking off with your heel first. Sometimes I'll take that visual farther and imagine LANDING with my heels digging into the ground.



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    You've improved a lot since the August pictures! I'm working on some of the same things, so I'm finding the thread helpful, though I don't have any actual advice for you! I know that sometimes just phrasing something slightly differently can make for a huge breakthrough, or I sometimes just get enough additional strength or confidence in myself to do something I couldn't even a week or so before (mostly in vaulting, but sometimes in other kinds of riding, too).
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    Quote Originally Posted by subk View Post
    That's great that you are already getting them shorter than the use to be!

    Of course, I don't know what your issues are, but I also struggle with knee problems too. I have found that biking has done amazing things for my knees. I suspect it's the stregthening of the quads that takes some of the strain off the joint.

    Someone suggested imagining taking off with your heel first. Sometimes I'll take that visual farther and imagine LANDING with my heels digging into the ground.
    Actually, we have no clue how I messed it up. A huge knot just showed up on my left knee (on the inside) one day. I did PT for awhile (and did the bike exercises!) but it wasn't getting better. Had an MRI done. Just inflammation... arthritis. So I got it injected. And it helped a ton... but it's starting to "ache" again (it's been 1.5 years since the injection). Just remnants of my original injury, I guess. Or just getting old. Who knows? But I do find the stronger I become, the better my other pain gets. But it has filtered down to other areas instead.

    Thanks for the suggestion... I have a lesson tonight so will try and take some of the visuals/exercises that you all have suggested and apply them.




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