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  1. #21
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    I'm glad to see that somebody else remembers "stagflation." And 9.5% mortgages (if you could get one). And 12% unemployment. Democrats are better at handling the economy? I don't think so.

    The Big Lie told by both Left and Right is that government can be "part of the solution." Maybe in academic exercises, but in the "real world" government generally can make things worse; it can seldom make them better.

    The one place they can be a positive force is as a guarantor of financial transactions. But even here perhaps the influence is less than the academics and pundits would have us believe. The investor community seems to think so.

    The President has control of the "bully pulpit" and can "jawbone" a lot of things. He has control of the vast, Federal administrative apparatus and can try and point it in his desired direction; but he also deals with career bureaucrats, unions, and Congress in this. He really has much less power than influence, and really much less influence than any president would like to think he has/had.

    And everything he does get judically reviewed and one Federal judge can undue the most ambitious of governmental schemes.

    I'm not anti-government. I am pro-capitalist. In an age where vast wealth in concentrated in relatively few institutions it behooves government to be an effective "watchdog." It was not during the Carter years nor has it been during the W years.

    As far as the OP is concerned, grow up. And suck it up. As noted horses are luxury goods. If can afford what you have then good on you. If you can't then either increase income or cut expenses. Don't blame the rest of the world in either event.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BelladonnaLily View Post

    It just seems like when we're blaming Bush, everyone pats everyone else on the back and says "Yeah, he really sucks. It's ALL his fault. Blah blah blah". The minute you point out that a problem may have started with someone else everyone is quick to point out that you shouldn't blame the president! I was simply responding to the earlier posts that WERE blaming the (current) government!
    Agreed. Last time I looked it was the legislature that wrote the law not the President. I believe that responsiblity for the current situation does not lie exclusively on the shoulders of one individual.

    Also, personal resposibility needs to be taken by the individuals who purchased above their means whether it was a house or a horse or whatever. If you can't afford, don't buy -- no one forced anyone to take that big mortgage or that new horse (keeping it horsey)

    I am so tired of hearing the phrase "we can't afford 8 more years". If you really study what percipitated this crisis you need to go further back than 8 years. It won't be fixed with socialism !

    Stop complaining and realize this is life, sometimes things are good, sometimes things are bad, but how we respond to the bad is how we learn and make things better.

    Okay, off my soapbox now



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    Socialism?
    Click here before you buy.



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    Oddly our cost has dropped after hitting a high about a year ago.... "Our" independent feed store was bought out by a small chain that was able to drop or hold costs because they did have the dollar volume to hold the costs down.



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    I'll stay out of the political discussion, because my momma told me it was the polite thing to do. Even if the price per barrel of oil comes down even more drastically, it still occurs to me that the farmer who grew the corn/oats/hay still paid the high $$ then entire season. Who can afford to stay in business only to give it away?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BelladonnaLily View Post
    hey101, I agree...but the fact remains that the problem started long before the past 8 years. That is all I'm pointing out. Trust me, I'm a HUGE proponent of personal responsibility! I am responsible for me and my decisions, both good and bad. I've commented on more than one occassion that I have little sympathy for those folks who brought their financial crisis on themselves by buying more than they could afford.

    It just seems like when we're blaming Bush, everyone pats everyone else on the back and says "Yeah, he really sucks. It's ALL his fault. Blah blah blah". The minute you point out that a problem may have started with someone else everyone is quick to point out that you shouldn't blame the president! I was simply responding to the earlier posts that WERE blaming the (current) government!

    Amusing...

    Oh, and FWIW, I agree with the horses are luxuries statement and that if you can't afford to feed them, you shouldn't have them. I think I've said that about a bazillion times on this board. And been blasted for saying it, too
    Agree!



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    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieF View Post
    Open Letter to local Feed stores:

    This letter is being written to you on behalf of all the horse owners, barn managers and barn owners signed below, asking you to consider the following:

    This is October 2008 and for a year and a half now we have all faced constant and relentless upward trending in pricing of livestock and equine feed, bedding and hay. As people that have to make a living, just like you do, we understand that rising costs have to be passed on to the end user. Everybody tries to do the best possible job negotiating prices with vendors, and we appreciate you acting on our behalf in your interactions with the feed and bedding suppliers.

    As a horse owner and barn owner and manager I have observed the following:...........

    Horse owners of America
    I won't be sending this letter to local feed stores. Many businesses are struggling as it is. As shocking as this may be to you, those who work at feed stores, need to make a living too and aren't in the business to give away food for free. If you are struggling to stay afloat with the horses, maybe it's time for you to look into making some cut backs. Like others have said, Horses aren't a need, they are a want and if push comes to shove you can live without them.



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    Quote Originally Posted by bellyache View Post
    I won't be sending this letter to local feed stores. Many businesses are struggling as it is. As shocking as this may be to you, those who work at feed stores, need to make a living too and aren't in the business to give away food for free. If you are struggling to stay afloat with the horses, maybe it's time for you to look into making some cut backs. Like others have said, Horses aren't a need, they are a want and if push comes to shove you can live without them.
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    Just a reminder to save the general political discussion for the next Off Topic Day. We'll likely set one up relatively soon to give everyone a chance to purge.

    Thanks!
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    That letter thingy is a hoot! Good comedy on a Saturday morning for me.

    I have worked the numbers for a good long while (many years) about whether or not its economically feasable to open a feed store in my area. It never is, not enough margin to earn a living wage, by far.

    Most local feed stores net less than fifty cents a bag, after overhead. Hay is not much better and some basically sell it at cost to get the customers in the door.

    This means that everyone who lives on the north and west side of this valley must drive a minimum of 10 miles to the closest feed store for a bale of hay. Some grain can be purchased at WalMart or the local bulk store, but no hay at all. This is a very challenging time to be in business, and I expect at least one of our local stores to close up shop because the overhead is too much for the wafer thin margin they operate on (they just don't realize it yet)

    When I ran the numbers just two years ago, the only way to make a feed store fly, was to have a lease under about five hundred a month, and it would take at least a half mil to get up and running and have enough operating capital to establish a solid customer base. Know what the average cost is for commerical lease space? In my area, its over a dollar a sq ft, and that is not in a very good location.



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    The feed store where I buy some things (not feed, my barn buys elsewhere but I try to support local non-chain feed stores that sell things I use) had to cut back on the hours of their guy who loads feed and hay for customers, because people are getting rid of horses and not buying feeds.

    My local seminole distributor, not the retail seller but the distributor, makes $1 a bag on feed.

    Blaming individual politicians is silly, they are all responsible with their ties to their big contributors. But we'll save that for off-topic day.

    Cutting back on anything that we can cut back on, and hoping that things will turn around soon. It's sad that horses and dogs and cats ill suffer the most by dying.



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    I understand that feed stores are in the business of having a business. I don't blame them for trying to make ends meet. When their costs rise, they pass those costs along to consumers. That is the way of business.

    I do, however, draw a distinction between managing costs and price gouging. There is a difference. This summer, a local feed store (the only one that carries straight Timothy hay) raised their price per mid-sized bale to $19. Luckily, I found an alternate supplier -- at $8 a bale, but I have to say, the cost to them was not the sale of the hay I would have bought, but the ill will they engendered by padding their prices.
    When life gives you lemons. . .say &%^# you lemons! And throw those lemons back in life's face so that it will be afraid of you and won't try that crap again!



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    Quote Originally Posted by Saidapal View Post
    So why is it that now that gas is down 75 cents a gallon, is everything still so high?

    Personally, I think its all a shell game and the only thing you can do is stop buying the overpriced products. I used to feed alfalfa hay daily, it went up to $19 a bale....let it rot.
    you really have no concept about farming...do you ??? do you understand that hay is a CROP...planted and grown normally the YEAR before it is used..not unlike corn in a storage silo....

    so for a YEAR farmers plant and spray and sometimes irrigate and fertilize and harvest and store (many times paying <gasp> outsiders to help do same) to then sell the crop the next year....

    but the INPUTS ARE THE SAME...the value of the fuel put into the crop stays at the last years level...

    grasp that concept and milk it dry...just because someone cuts the tops of their weed field, strip mines their land,every year and peddles it to someone wanting yard sale hay does NOT mean that hay grown as a crop should be GIVEN AWAY to every sad sack with a teary story...

    turn your nose up at good hay...some dairyman will appreciate it far more than you ever will....
    Production Acres,Pro A Welsh Cobs
    I am one of the last 210,000 remaining full time farmers in America.We feed the others.



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