[CdnRider]

So this may be politically incorrect, but after looking through a lovely bunch of spotted horses; the apps with a blanket make me think of a mullet----

Business in Front, Party in the Back!!

[FatCatFarm]

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=1&theater

Lovely gelding in the Camelot Sale, someone please save him!

[pinkpony321]

I've just spent the last HOUR reading this thread. I LOVE appaloosas, and my dream horse is a Leopard App hunter. I loved Virginia Hood's horses but by the time I really started buying horses as an adult, her breeding program had wound down and she was ill. So many of you have lovely horses!

I'm always in the market....any stellar hunter prospects, feel free to send info my way

[mitma]

One of my boarders bought a stunning Warmblood/App 10 month old gelding. He is stunning and a great mover. His breeder breeds the WB/App crossesas well as Knabstruppers.

This is him the day he shipped in.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=3&theater

Hopefully the photo can be viewed, it is on my facebook page.

What a good looking boy ... And, so funny, I just acquired a yearling appy/WBx filly who is also sired by Angie's Belgian WB stallion, All American, aka AL...

Unlike your boarder's baby, she is not a leopard (cause not all of them can be, ) but she is liver chestnut with a sweet, lacy blanket... When I saw the filly (and, btw, I went down to look at a particular TB broodmare, who I also ended up purchasing, ) I was so taken by her movement that (and I did NOT need any more horses) I decided to get her as a resale prospect... Also, her dam is the mare I am planning to breed to the Trakehner stallion, Schiffon... I'm sure that baby will be a spectacular, ammy friendly, athletic horse!

You should tell your boarder to consider registering her boy (if he's not already registered somewhere) with the Appaloosa Sport Horse Association (ApSHA) which would allow her to participate with All-Breeds awards, etc...

Good Luck!

[airhorse]

Here is our "baby" from Confetti Farm's Butterwap Confetti. He is all Appy and 17 hands at 2.

https://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos...60071910_n.jpg

[Beentheredonethat]

airhorse--I'd love to see video of your boy. Oreo (BUtterwap Confetti) is one I would consider breeding to, but I've never been able to see much evidence of how he moves or his babies. The only video of the stallion os five years old, and there are nothing but babies to look at.

[FatCatFarm]

The Chocolate Confetti horses are awesome and do move nice!

[Beentheredonethat]

I've been there and visited Mellanie and the horses, but I want to see actual video of adult horses moving, which I can't get besides the one of Oreo turned out five years ago. I'd love to go back to Appies and have a mare the produces super horses, but I don't want to reduce her quality or size, and get color.

[Snowflake]

I have one. She's an Appy/RID cross. Moves like a top notch hunter but doesn't go over fences.

[FatCatFarm]

I've been there and visited Mellanie and the horses, but I want to see actual video of adult horses moving, which I can't get besides the one of Oreo turned out five years ago. I'd love to go back to Appies and have a mare the produces super horses, but I don't want to reduce her quality or size, and get color.

I just can't imagine you would with BC. Have you asked Mellanie what she thinks of the cross - line breeding the Wap Spot horses? I don't think it would be a problem unless there are more common ancestors than just that. BC is a really nice animal. I had a CC daughter and granddaughter and both were very nice movers.

[ParadoxFarm]

airhorse, what a beauty! Love him.

And snowflake, your horse reminds me of mine.

Here's one more of my baby. Had this taken at my last show with the photographer. She tooks some nice shots.

http://www1.snapfish.com/snapfish/fe...A%22s%22%7D%7D

[ToTheNines]

These Appaloosa sporthorse threads make me a little crazy. People are always talking about being a "good mover". Please keep in mind that a good mover for dressage (usually what translates from "sporthorse") is not the same as a good mover for hunter. And hate to say this, but if you are breeding for hunters, there is still a lot of prejudice. So you do need a great hunter mover with a long low hunter-pretty canter. There is a very very discipline specific canter for hunters.

[ParadoxFarm]

ToTheNines, I understand what you're saying, but not all of us do hunters. My guys does dressage and jumpers. And I do think he's a good mover. I think this is more of a thread on Ap and Ap Crosses that people love and do ride and show in different disciplines. I don't think it was meant to be a textbook definition for the word sporthorse. That's my way of speaking, anyway. And I say that respectfully (to all who have posted.) My gelding's dam was a hunter Ap, but his sire was a jumper. My horse would do lousy in all but the lowest level hunter classes. But he's got an awesome jump.

[secretariat]

Lots of prejudice in dressage/eventing as well.

And "good mover" is always in the eye of the beholder, so the post is always referencing the poster's own sport/bias. Human nature.

[Appsolute]

Yes – but when you are talking about Appaloosas, and we say a “good mover” for sport – we are talking about the horses that move in more of an “English” discipline way, rather than stock breed, which has a VERY different type of movement.

While what wins in dressage will not win in the hunters, I think we can agree that a longer stride, over step, reaching from behind, and using their back in a proper way would be described as a “good mover” for English sports… and would be considered lousy for western, where they prefer a short, collected stride with very minimal hock or knee action, coupled with a long and low carriage.

Dressage movement and hunter movement are a sub category of an “English” moving horse when you are talking about an all round breed like the Appaloosa. – Its different then talking about movement of a warmblood, which has been breed solely for English sport.

Some lines of appies are known more for their hunter type movement, others for their dressage type. Many who look to appies for their temperament, hardiness and ammy friendliness are not looking to compete at the highest levels of the sport, where variances of good proper movement play a bigger role.

Mine has more of a “hunter” movement, with flat knees, long and low stride – but I am sure she will do just fine in lower level dressage that we encounter eventing. If I was looking for an upper level horse, her movement may be an issue. Now if she moved like a STOCK horse, I would expect basic dressage to be much more difficult for her. But, thanks to her Chocklate Confetti lines, she is a “good mover” for sport.

[ToTheNines]

That is all well and true about "English movers", but what I am trying to avoid is all the sales ads I see for precious 15.2 appies that are not bred for much of anything. They can't all be trail horses. Breaks my heart that they can't all find good homes.

When people go online to search for a horse, they search for "dressage" or "hunter" or whatever their discipline is. My point is primarily that we need to be breeding good movers (among other good traits) for a specific discipline so they will all find good homes and happy careers.

[Jane Honda]

Jane Honda - your mare might be a good fit for Wapuzzan. He appears to be homozygous, throwing wild color on solid TB and other mares. He's the sire of Fleck's Danny, as well as:

Jester, 4 y.o. out of TB mare, running BN:
http://i359.photobucket.com/albums/o.../JesterMS1.jpg
http://i359.photobucket.com/albums/o.../JesterMS2.jpg

He's a full brother to 6 y.o. Jerry running Training:
http://i359.photobucket.com/albums/o...3/JerryMS1.jpg
http://i359.photobucket.com/albums/o...3/JerryMS2.jpg
http://i359.photobucket.com/albums/o...ySchooling.jpg

Both horses are at/near/above 17 hands.

Oh... Be still my heart... <3 They are so stunning!!!

[Beentheredonethat]

FatCAt--I don't have an Appy anymore. I have Swedish mares, three of them actually. Mom's dad was in the Olympics and is a super mover but hot headed and small. I bred her to Freestyle (Florestan) and have a four and two year old that look to be super and an improvement. All bays.

This is what I have to breed, some pretty nice stuff, but I do dressage and it is HARD to get that movement in an Appy. I love the Wap horses and Ginny did a super job, but they are hunters. One of the hardest thing to get with Appies for dressage is the shoulder and open trot. I HAVE taken an Appy to GP. I wold love to do it again, but just because I have nice mares doesn't mean I will be able to keep that movement.

It's chancy for me to breed to Oreo because, though he looks to be homozogyous, I may not get color, and I may lose the quality of movement I have. I am not looking for a pretty hunter or lower level horse. I'm looking for an Appy with the movement to go GP. So, when I look for stallions I REALLY want to see how they move to the max and how their get move to the max. I haven't been able to see this with Oreo, though he may be capable.

[Equine Reproduction]

FatCAt--I don't have an Appy anymore. I have Swedish mares, three of them actually. Mom's dad was in the Olympics and is a super mover but hot headed and small. I bred her to Freestyle (Florestan) and have a four and two year old that look to be super and an improvement. All bays.

This is what I have to breed, some pretty nice stuff, but I do dressage and it is HARD to get that movement in an Appy. I love the Wap horses and Ginny did a super job, but they are hunters. One of the hardest thing to get with Appies for dressage is the shoulder and open trot. I HAVE taken an Appy to GP. I wold love to do it again, but just because I have nice mares doesn't mean I will be able to keep that movement.

It's chancy for me to breed to Oreo because, though he looks to be homozogyous, I may not get color, and I may lose the quality of movement I have. I am not looking for a pretty hunter or lower level horse. I'm looking for an Appy with the movement to go GP. So, when I look for stallions I REALLY want to see how they move to the max and how their get move to the max. I haven't been able to see this with Oreo, though he may be capable.

There are several Knabstrupper stallions that would fit your bill. We sent Colorado Skrodstrup through the stallion testing as we found most people when you said "Knabstrupper" they'd say "HUH?". So, in an attempt to raise the profile of the breed, we figured it would be great exposure. He finished third in dressage over some super, warmblood stallions. The movement AND the jumping is there. I have to admit, I'm not a huge spot fan, but I absolutely LOVE riding this horse. Soooo much fun and he certainly is eye catching. So, if you really are looking for the color and the movement, why not look at some of the Knabstruppers that are available?

[columbus]

Fresh pictures from the Irish Draught Sport Horse yearling colt.
http://www.blackshireequestrian.com/...-For-Sale.html
They started with Appy's so their original stock mares are crossed now on Friesians and Irish Draughts. They usually have sport type Appaloosa colored youngsters.
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