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    Default Looking for a BIG TB hunter stallion~Alota Gator Bait?

    I have a cute western pleasure bred mare that the owner and I are thinking might be fun to breed. (to give me a cute mid level eventer)

    She is super quiet, smart, easy tempered and seems like she's athletic. She's really lovely too.
    She LOVES to work and just do things.

    But she's small and a bit down hill (both which do not run in the family).
    15.1h in the front and 15.2 in the back.

    I'd like to make a nice Appendix. I event, but even so I like hunter bred horses. I like the ease of step, the big bascule and correctness throughout.

    Needs:
    hunter movement and jump
    uphill build
    HEIGHT
    quiet curious brain

    I love Fred.
    But there are others that are larger.
    http://www.afineromance.ca/afineromance.html

    It seems as though Alota Gator Bait mixes well with the AQHA. Google told me so.
    http://www.woodlandviewequine.com/AlotaGatorBait.html

    But also I'm partial to the blood that is found in my last horse's pedigree.
    Sir Gaylor
    My Babu
    Ribot
    Halo
    Hoist the Flag

    Fred has Sir Gaylor and My Babu.

    Salute the Truth has a bunch of the breeding as well. Though I don't really like his jump.
    http://www.dodonfarm.com/willy1.html

    and then I found this horse last night but his height is not listed and I have no idea of what his offspring accomplish.
    He's the hottest match I've found to the TB lines listed.
    http://www.victoryrose.com/html/berhens.html

    from the listed I'm thinking Fred or Berhens may be the best....
    But Gator is really nice and big!! Though from the looks of his flat pics he moves slightly down hill so he might not be right for this particular mare.

    Here is the little girl:
    Gucci Only x Investment Asset

    http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p...boom/abby2.jpg

    April: first time in English tack.
    http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p...om/abby1-2.jpg

    her 2nd time jumping:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiTNgHKwg7k
    see saw the fence and cantered on her own here. I think it was her 3rd or so XC fence to ever be pointed at!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35fl3F6JGLw&feature=related

    I need help. What would you do?
    Do you know of any others with stud fees 3K and less?

    FYI: For us, breeding is for self enjoyment, not to try and make bucks off of selling babies.
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    There was a nice appendix Gator Bait listed for sale in CA that had a nice video. He has sold but the ad and video can still be accessed. I seriously wanted to look at him but...... Might give you an idea of the cross.

    The pedigree on the ad gives a slightly different sire name but the video says sire is Alotta Gator Bait.



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    How 'little' is the mare? Investment Asset has some size in that bloodline.

    When you breed a small mare to a much larger stallion, you risk getting pieces of each that do not fit together. I have done this, both with success (getting the best of both parents) and not (got the best of one parent and the worst of the other, plus a club foot that came out of nowhere). The success was with a prepotent stud, Skys Blue Boy. I got a 16.2 gelding out of the 15.2 mare, but I have also seen some SBB that are barely 16 hands. However, SBB is very uphill, seems to throw that, and himself has a very nice legit disposition, plus short cannons for hunter movement and a strong rear. Only downside to him is front legs set slightly underneath his shoulder, and I would not duplicate that with a mare. He has a high stud fee, but it is justified by the results. The SBBs mature late, as my gelding was a 16 hand putz at 3, and I decided not to spend the money on a (by then) much higher stud fee. He did the swan thing at 5-6 and became a 16-2 amazing mover, and I wish I had bred back before the mare retired. My mare over-rode all but SBB in what her foals looked like and their size. She is a Swift Solo mare.

    You could also look at Allocate Your Assets. No personal experience there, but I am watching what he sires.

    I would breed for the best athletic conformation and brain, because the height is a crapshoot, as the mare seems to control that. Most of the Western Pleasure/TB crosses that are wonderful english horses have the TB dam and the WP sire. If you don't get the height, as a nice Appx horse they can still do the all-around events.
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    Haha, I just went through this but in reverse! My mare is the TB with Sir Gaylord/Raja Baba breeding. ;-p (but I ended up going to Huntin for Chocolate because I WANTED that Zips Chocolate Chip "been there, done that, and got the t-shirt" mind)

    Investment Asset crosses REALLY well on the "Artful Move" line stallions. It's been done enough that it seems to be a really good safe bet. We have one in the barn right now that is at least 17.1 and he is one of the best minded and ATHLETIC horses I've ever met. He's by a stallion named "Arts Self Portrait,"

    Indian Artifacts and Artful Investment are some other "Art line stallions" who are also AMAZING sires. I've also heard really good things about "Art I sweet" (whom I believe is owned or stood by someone on this board...)

    Allocate your Assets is DEFINITELY on my list for "if I ever breed my mare again..."

    And maybe check out Iron Age. His sire Natural Iron showed and placed at regular rated hunter shows back in the day, and he's got a really nice canter. :-)
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    and after seeing the pics/video of your mare. I'm reminded why I decided to go quarter horse! Man she looks like FUN! :-)
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    Artful Move himself did not have much rear end. Some of his sons do, though. When evaluating AQHA HUS stallions, consider that many of them are good minded because they just motor quietly around on the rail. Galloping and jumping sometimes brings out a whole 'nother personality, so check on what sires have repeatedly sired over-fences horses. IE, Last Detail is a really great HUS mover, but his offspring seem to aquire a big motor over fences and there are fewer of them doing the fence classes, maybe not a problem for eventing.

    The Invitation Only part of this mare's pedigree does promote the good rear end that lets horses be quiet athletes, because it is easy for them.

    As a swirl student, I would pass on Indian Artifacts, too scary. Iron Age has my interest also, due to his conformation. My last foal was by the Zips Chocolate Chip son, Chips Count Chocula. I did get the great rear, but my mare totally over-rode the stallion in every other aspect, including the size. Remember ZCC is only about 14-3 ( I saw Clevel Wells riding him - funny).
    Arts Self Portrait stood down the road from me one winter, and he was a nice individual.

    If I wanted an event horse prospect, I would go with that Salute the Truth stud the OP posted. He has done it, and his get do it. He does not have the shoulder conformation to be the A Circuit Hack winner at the trot, but that is not the OPs goal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Plumcreek View Post
    You could also look at Allocate Your Assets. No personal experience there, but I am watching what he sires.
    My BO has an Allocate Your Assets mare out of a TB mare. She's about 16.1 and has a fairly good mind (she had some success doing the 2-year-old HUS stuff), but she's got really upright pasterns. She's a pretty mover but a little short-strided. Of course, these things could have come from the dam's side.

    They never jump her so I couldn't say whether she has any talent in that department.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Plumcreek View Post
    Most of the Western Pleasure/TB crosses that are wonderful english horses have the TB dam and the WP sire. If you don't get the height, as a nice Appx horse they can still do the all-around events.
    I'll just have to be backwards then.

    The mare is 15.1. 15.2 behind. She was very very late to mature. She's just this year figured her body out and she's now a 6 year old. I've been working her very very lightly for about 2 years. Now that she's together we can get down to business.

    Allocate Your Assets is a nice guy but the little mare in question is by the Asset line already.

    I'm really looking for a 100% TB stallion.

    It seems after putting the post info together that maybe Fred would be the best. He's the smallest of the bunch.
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    That mare is adorable! I'd love to see her crossed with AFR.



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    oh duh! I have a confo pic of her that I took last month.

    She's on a diet now that she's at my house BTW. lol. She was living off of Little Debbie's Oat Meal Creme Pie Cookies at her owner's place.
    http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p...om/confo-1.jpg

    I had to get a 38cm tree for her from Nancy with Duett. hehehehe


    and her purdy mare head. She has great big ears and lovely Doe eyes.
    http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p...om/abby2-1.jpg
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    I've seen some really crooked legs on Indian Artifacts babies. I'd pass on that one.



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    Just curious -- why don't you buy a baby that is close to what you want rather than rolling the dice and breeding? What if you choose a big stallion and still get a little horse? Is that going to be OK with you?


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    Look at the picture of Alota Gator Bait Jumping "not loving him" sorry.


    Beautiful mare!



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    Quote Originally Posted by hollyhorse2000 View Post
    Just curious -- why don't you buy a baby that is close to what you want rather than rolling the dice and breeding? What if you choose a big stallion and still get a little horse? Is that going to be OK with you?
    It's fine if the baby is small. Abby is small but I don't feel terrible on her. She's got a nice stout body. (I'm 6' BTW).

    I think I'm going to be a self horse breeder. I've just recently found my spot with the horses and breeding one for myself every now and again is the way my path seems to be leading.

    I prefer breaking and training kiddos.

    Indian Artifacts is AQHA. I'm looking for Jockey Club.
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    OK, I was confusing 'Fred' A Fine Romance' with the AQHA stallion 'A Chance for Romance", so I did not comment, but I figured it out. Fred would be a good choice and would fix what needs it and not mess up what does not need fixing.
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    Default Gator Bait Here!

    Reluctantly just sold my gator bait mare. She is appendix.
    I owned her from 3 til 9. Probably the best minded, BRAVEST horse I have ever owned.
    Mom was a 16 hand quarterhorse and Alli turned out to be 17 hand appendix.
    Her ad is probably still on Big Eq. look under ALLI-SOLD. It links to her videos. There are also pix in my signature line.
    She ended her career with me doing a 3'3" hunter derby....had also schooled x country and never met a fence she would not jump. And jumped in great form as have all the Gators I have seen.
    She did have a opinion....and most QH people tell me gators do, but for jumping her opinion with me was mostly correct LOL. When in doubt I grabbed mane.
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    Have you considered A Chance For Romance http://achanceforromance.net/? I have my WP/AA mare booked to him for 2012. I know he is AQHA but man is he nice and he just completed his American Warmblood Society inspection and passed with flying colors! He is 16.2 hands.

    Off his site:
    A Chance For Romance's sire is the late, great World and Congress Champion Luke At Me, and his dam is Miss Patricia Lark, a World Champion producing full sister to World Champion Regal Lark, by the famous Superhorse, Rugged Lark. With a pedigree of Quarter Horse royalty, "Chance" was bred by AQHA Hall of Famer, and owner of the legendary Rugged Lark, Ms. Carol Harris. Chance was discovered as a weanling by Amy Brosch, who immediately decided to invest in this colt as a potential future stallion prospect. He was very large with great bone, with a fantastic head, kind eye, and a quiet disposition.

    I have seen quite a few Alota Gator Bait appendixes showing in the hunters on the AQHA circuit. They are nice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Parrotnutz View Post
    Reluctantly just sold my gator bait mare. She is appendix.
    I owned her from 3 til 9. Probably the best minded, BRAVEST horse I have ever owned.
    Mom was a 16 hand quarterhorse and Alli turned out to be 17 hand appendix.
    Her ad is probably still on Big Eq. look under ALLI-SOLD. It links to her videos. There are also pix in my signature line.
    She ended her career with me doing a 3'3" hunter derby....had also schooled x country and never met a fence she would not jump. And jumped in great form as have all the Gators I have seen.
    She did have a opinion....and most QH people tell me gators do, but for jumping her opinion with me was mostly correct LOL. When in doubt I grabbed mane.

    Wow! Awesome chrome! She's cute. :-) But I am *such* a sucker for greys... so... who's this "Pippin" character...hmm? :-p
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    I know you are looking at Jockey Club, but if you are interested at looking at QH studs I would look at some of the sons of Arful Move. I have an Artful Investment mare that has terrific movement on the flat and great form over fences (fits in at A/AA shows and looks TB) and she is 16'1 out of a 15'2 foundation QH mare. I really liked the movement of a couple of Art I Sweet horses but some of them had weak pasterns (maybe that was just the two I looked at, though - I would have bought one of them if it wasn't for that; fantastic mare in every other way and the dam and another foal of hers did not have that problem).

    With the Last Details, I tried out one that was as easy going as could be. The owner said he was selling him because he was too spooky but I couldn't find it in the horse and he had an easy 12' stride and a 3'6" jump.

    I don't have any experience with the Gator Baits. They don't seem to be that popular in my area


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    Quote Originally Posted by propspony View Post
    Wow! Awesome chrome! She's cute. :-) But I am *such* a sucker for greys... so... who's this "Pippin" character...hmm? :-p
    Alli did the USEF circuit.
    Pippin.....he was my 2006 prospect who I bought at 2. He started under saddle and was never quite right.....turned out to be OCD in his shoulder....since I had insurance we did the surgery. It was successful....but he was lamer after it than before.
    He is a wonderful 17.1 hand lawn ornament with a wonderful woman in GA who adores him.
    Great for him and her, but sucked for me.
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