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    Default http://www.dressagedetective.com in case you haven't seen it

    Dressage Judge Ratings and Averages! Great Info!



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    Wow, thank you for the link!


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    Interesting link - I saw it when it first came out.
    Naturally, curiosity got the better of me and I find I sit between Axel and Anne
    OTOH, panel judging scores are not included which I think may tend to bring the numbers down. For instance, the regional championships have multiple judges in the championship classes. These feature (by definition) the best rides in the region. Yet their scores are not included.


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    Since USDF & USEF only report a single composite score from panels, they would have to change the way they publish panel scores so sites like this could incorporate them.

    Dressage Detective could go to a site like Fox Village and get the separate judge scores from there, but the data would still be incomplete because not all shows use Fox Village.



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    Interesting.....the COTH Nerd Herd started the movement towards dressage transparency back in 2010. This led to an initial contact with Jay Stevens of Centerline Scores. The Nerds disbanded since then, but I wanted to bring attention to the original work.

    http://www.usdf.org/EduDocs/Competit...ssage_comp.pdf

    The Nerd Herd published the only "peer reviewed" paper with a statistical analysis of dressage scores (including judge bias):

    Scoring Variables and Judge Bias in United States Dressage Competitions,” was published in the Journal of Quantitative Analysis in Sports (JQAS), Vol. 6 (2010), issue 3.

    The study identified three dominant variables that affect overall score patterns in US dressage competition:
    • Location
    • Breed of horse
    • Variability among judges.

    The paper shows that there can be a substantial difference between "high scoring" and "low scoring" judges.

    The paper was a rather dry read, so it is great that people have put this info on line.
    Do not confuse motion and progress. A rocking horse keeps moving but does not make any progress.
    Alfred A. Montapert


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    I wish I could get access the to raw data. I would like to look at it myself in Minitab



    Quote Originally Posted by pluvinel View Post
    Interesting.....the COTH Nerd Herd started the movement towards dressage transparency back in 2010. This led to an initial contact with Jay Stevens of Centerline Scores. The Nerds disbanded since then, but I wanted to bring attention to the original work.

    http://www.usdf.org/EduDocs/Competit...ssage_comp.pdf

    The Nerd Herd published the only "peer reviewed" paper with a statistical analysis of dressage scores (including judge bias):

    Scoring Variables and Judge Bias in United States Dressage Competitions,” was published in the Journal of Quantitative Analysis in Sports (JQAS), Vol. 6 (2010), issue 3.

    The study identified three dominant variables that affect overall score patterns in US dressage competition:
    • Location
    • Breed of horse
    • Variability among judges.

    The paper shows that there can be a substantial difference between "high scoring" and "low scoring" judges.

    The paper was a rather dry read, so it is great that people have put this info on line.



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    Quote Originally Posted by SnicklefritzG View Post
    I wish I could get access the to raw data. I would like to look at it myself in Minitab
    Here is the paper (2nd document)....analysis was done sliced and diced in MTB. Raw data no longer available.

    https://drive.google.com/folderview?...tWOGtGSzg#list
    Last edited by pluvinel; Dec. 11, 2014 at 03:58 PM.
    Do not confuse motion and progress. A rocking horse keeps moving but does not make any progress.
    Alfred A. Montapert



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