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    Default DNA data question

    Of the registries that require DNA profiling as part of registration, how many provide the information back to the owner? Do any do this or is it just kept with the registry?

    My only experience so far was with the ASPR. They keep it and don't give the owner a copy.

    Anyone care to answer this?
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    The American Knabstrupper Association keeps the info with the registry, but will give a copy to the owner at their request.
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    Thanks!

    So has anyone heard of registries sharing data directly for cross registered horses?
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    The American Morgan Horse Association DNA types all horses being registered but does not automatically provide a copy of the DNA results to the owners. They will provide a copy of the DNA markers directly to any other registry though.

    Honestly I don't see what use it is to anyone other than for parentage; it's just a bunch of letters/numbers that don't mean much of anything (other than for parentage verification).



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    What Simrat is asking :-) is if registries will ever share DNA data on horses with more than one registry. For example...if a horse gets DNA typed by RPSI and then later the owner wants to inspect and register with AWR...can the DNA data on file be shared so the owner will only have to pay for one DNA test..or do registries insist on an individual test for each horse regardless of whether or not it has already been done?



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    Quote Originally Posted by Daydream Believer View Post
    What Simrat is asking :-) is if registries will ever share DNA data on horses with more than one registry. For example...if a horse gets DNA typed by RPSI and then later the owner wants to inspect and register with AWR...can the DNA data on file be shared so the owner will only have to pay for one DNA test..or do registries insist on an individual test for each horse regardless of whether or not it has already been done?
    I am certain the information is shared BUT you will probably still have to pay for a second DNA test because there needs to be some way to PROVE that the horse you are presenting now is the horse that was presented previously. In other words, we presented a TB mare to AWR & had to have her DNA typed - otherwise, how would they know she was who we said she was? (Yes, she was tattooed, but that is a whole other story as tattos can be hard to read, etc.)



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    That's not a great argument, Evalee. How do you prove to the testing site that the hair/blood you send actually belongs to the horse you're presenting?

    I paid for my own parentage DNA testing through UC Davis. Then *I* gave a copy of the results to the RPSI. They were fine with that, and I have the copies, as well as the original case numbers, to give to any other registry.

    I wouldn't go through the registry for DNA typing. But then, I work in the DNA field, so maybe it's easier or makes more sense to me than for other people.



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    Jasmine...does RPSI contract one or more specific facilities to do their DNA testing or do they simply accept it from any facility? What you are saying is kind of along the lines I was thinking.



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    I was actually asking both questions, as the ASPR refused to give me a copy of my stallion's DNA profile, even though I paid $60 for the service.

    The replies are interesting, on both questions.
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    The TB registry requires parentage verification for registration, so all horses are DNA-typed. The registry pays for this and owns the resulting info, and does not give it to the owner. But, if you want to register the horse somewhere else as well, they will provide the info to the other registry. The QH registry does not require parentage verification for all horses, only in certain situations, but they require all parents to be DNA-typed so that if they do need to parentage-verify a foal, the info is already on file. If you have a foal that does need to be done, and one parent is a TB, you don't need a whole new test for that parent, they will get the info from the TB registry, no problem. Same thing for Paints. They don't require parentage verification for all foals either, but if they did ask for it, and one parent was a TB or a QH, they could get the DNA-typing info from the other registry, you don't have to do anything or pay anything.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Simrat View Post
    Thanks!

    So has anyone heard of registries sharing data directly for cross registered horses?
    Yes. I had an AHHA registered mare inspected BWP and had her DNA done by BWP. BWP office then kindly shared DNA results with AHHA so when I had the mare finally inspected by her breed registry, it was one less thing I had to do.

    I plan on doing the reverse of this as well but am unsure , since BWP includes DNA in mare inspection fee, if the cost is adjusted to wave the DNA fee if the mare has already been DNA typed. I'd have to ask the office when the time comes.
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    ponygirl - Can you define AHHA and BWP?

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    AHHA = holsteiner association, BWP = belgian warmblood studbook.



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    Thanks, Dazednconfused! So many acronyms out there in the world...



    Anyone want to share the range of costs for DNA profile testing among the various registries?
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    I have a mare that is approved KWPN, BWP, Old Verband and AWR. They required a new DNA test every single time.



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    Quote Originally Posted by tri View Post
    I have a mare that is approved KWPN, BWP, Old Verband and AWR. They required a new DNA test every single time.
    Ouch! What was the reasoning?
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    Because the friggin euro registries won't talk to each other or to much of anyone else. PART OF THE PROBLEM I'VE BEEN SCREAMING ABOUT. And yes, it is frustrating and it is a game i WON'T PLAY anymore. They can kiss my bountiful ass.



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