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  1. #21
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    Quote Originally Posted by CBoylen View Post
    I am completely thrilled with my Popeye 3 year old out of her, though I held my breath to see if we'd gone too far the other way, it seems to have been exactly the right thing to hold onto her type.
    Have any updated pictures of the young lady?



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    New Poppy pictures please.
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    No, I wish I did. My cousin took some video for me the last time we went to school her, but we didn't take a still camera. I may have to borrow her video camera to figure out how to transfer footage, but it's a dinosaur and I don't know that I'm that technically capable .



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    Well I have an Art Deco horse that is out of an Aristos B mare, never really thought about it since I didn't know the mare but my horse is HUGE, same body type as Aristos B (at least from the photos posted). Not overly tall 16.3 but solid - as wide as he is tall . Very good personality, jumps cute - which is good cuz he has white legs so mistakes are OBVIOUS and just an all around good guy. I posted on the Art Deco thread because my horse is an ultimate gentleman but I am starting to see now, with breeding it is always a mix up of genes. I guess because he is pinto the stallion piece was obvious but I never focused on the mare's breeding. Here'a a photo....

    http://community.webshots.com/photo/...03626323dTBjqq



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    I went to see the Silvio colt out of the Aristos B mare today. It is as good a colt as I have ever seen, and Silvio gets some very, very nice babies.



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    I just sold an Aristos B mare today -- she was BEAUTIFUL! I was so wanting to buy her myself and breed her to my stallion. she is at the top of the following link

    http://www.empirespower.com/horses.htm

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    Seeing that mare reminded me that I should mention, while the Aristos offspring come in many types, you can always recognize them by their ears and expression. There's just something about that part of them that is so similiar.



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    Thanks for the suggestions! I have a lot to think about I love the pictures you guys posted, especially of Aristos. I have never seen him in person but I have to say my mare has his ears and eyes. It is interesting that his babies are so diverse but they are all gorgeous! It really make me appreciate my girl (I am lucky to have her)!



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    Thanks Virginiabred and vxf!

    In truth, I think the scan of that photo makes her look more "red" than she really is. She definitely dapples, however -- and as CBoylen mentioned, she is incredibly expressive with her ears!



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    I can link you to River Dances mother, which I actually own. I can also show you pictures of some River Dances Aristos baby. I can also post actual new pictures of Aristos. I also have some pictures of River Dance when I was trying her out. Ill get you pictures tomorrow, I actually just came in from vacation.

    Virginiabred, Im not familiar with who you are. When did you get those pictures of Aristos?



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    So is it fair to say that Aristos B is not consistent in what he produces as far as type or size, so would you consider him to not be prepotent because of that? What can you count on from him if you were to breed a mare? What does he consistently "bring to the table"? Why would you choose him over another stallion if you know he is more of a "crapshoot" than a stallion that is more consistent? I admire him and of course the foals he's produced that have been so spectacular -- such as Rox Dene, but the other factors would concern me as a breeder.
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    What does he consistently "bring to the table"?
    Jump. I've never seen a bad jumping Aristos B.

    I'm not sure that he's inconsistant between full siblings, just inconsistant in foal type on the large scale. It probably relates to some variation in the mares, although I've not been able to see a pattern.

    For us he was very consistent with the same mare. We bred six Aristos foals which were all similar in type out of our TB mare Noranda, and did quite well on them as a group. Three are great, two good, and one wasn't quite of the same quality as the rest, but still of the same general build and size. (lbgrrl's mares full brothers for comparison-
    Reggie Pepper- http://pets.webshots.com/photo/25527...50057682bIRWBE
    Game On- http://www.teresaramsay.com/details....gid=&pid=19711 )
    Reggie reminds me the most of Aristos, while Game On is probably the lightest build of the group, although still more substantial than he appears in photos. Spyglass Hill that Kelley Farmer did in the workings was also a full sibling, although I can't find a picture of him.
    Rox Dene's mother produced for her owner three of the same general body type as well, one really great one, one less great but still very top quality, and one of average quality. The last one was smaller, although not drastically.
    So, what would make me choose him over another stallion is that, on the whole, he gives an above average shot of producing an above average horse. He definitely produces an above average jump almost every time.



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    Thanks, Chanda -- that's a very valid and clear explanation and a good point!

    PennyG



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    Quote Originally Posted by TKR View Post
    So is it fair to say that Aristos B is not consistent in what he produces as far as type or size, so would you consider him to not be prepotent because of that? What can you count on from him if you were to breed a mare? What does he consistently "bring to the table"? Why would you choose him over another stallion if you know he is more of a "crapshoot" than a stallion that is more consistent? I admire him and of course the foals he's produced that have been so spectacular -- such as Rox Dene, but the other factors would concern me as a breeder.
    PennyG
    vxf111 horse by Aristos is a BIG boy, as is my mare, out of two different mares. There are two mares on the farm now, both 16h and not very big, and a gelding that is about 16.1h. River Dance, the OPs horse, is not very large either, and she is out of a pretty good size mare. They all can move and all have a fantastic jump. Some are quieter then others.



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    Quote Originally Posted by skrgirl
    I can link you to River Dances mother, which I actually own. I can also show you pictures of some River Dances Aristos baby. I can also post actual new pictures of Aristos. I also have some pictures of River Dance when I was trying her out. Ill get you pictures tomorrow, I actually just came in from vacation.

    Virginiabred, Im not familiar with who you are. When did you get those pictures of Aristos?
    We are good friends of Dr. Flynn & his daughter-in-law, Morgen (Jackie Blue)
    I took them when I was there last.
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    Default Back from the dead, so to speak...

    Hi Guys, Morgen Flynn, daughter-in-law of Dr. Dan Flynn and now Managing Director of the Veterinary Division of Dynasplint Systems, Inc., here. I've only just realized that I haven't posted in almost a year, but things have been so busy...until now. I'm down with a BADLY broken leg. And I mean BADLY!!!! The same leg I've already had 10 surgeries and 2 broken femurs on. Do I need to say that I'm feeling REALLY down??

    But, all of that aside, I can pick an Aristos out anywhere. I guess because I know HIM so well and I've literally known countless offspring of his, I CAN tell you that he is a prepotent boy. And Chanda is right about the epression and ears. I call them "pony ears", even though they're huge, becuse they tend to have that pony curve and point at the tip. You can also read ALL their ears ver easily. The more they point up and towards each other, the more naughty thoughts are running through their little brains!

    To the OP, when considering temperament, please keep in mind that Jackie LITERALLY ran wild in a huge field, unhandled, until I met my husband when she was almost a 2 y.o. And I mean WILD!! And then, because of my various knee and femur issues, she was not backed EVER until she was almost seven. And that was the FIRST time she EVER left our farm, as well.

    I met my hubby in '99 and, regardless what you've been told, she is a '98 model. She ran with the same foal herd as Chanda's Game On, who was a '98, and I own her only son, to date. He's spectacular and she is a stellar mom. We also have a full sister to her who is beynd belief, so you've got some fantastic genetics in there.

    I promise to dig up all kinds of pics soon, but I'm in a pretty bad state mentally right now, stuck in bed literally for the summer and seriously unsure if walking will be option again, let alone riding.

    For all the MD's on this forum, maybe I should post photos of my rads, too.
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    Default One more thing....

    Also, I didn't have the pleasure of knowing Rox Dene's Mom, but the boys in Chanda's photos were out of a MUCH bigger, more substantial mare than your mare was. Naranda was a big gal, body and bone, and sweet as could be. I miss her terribly. I always had the job of teasing her each Spring and it would make everyone laugh outloud at how "NO" her no was and how "YES, OH YEEEEEEEEES" her yes was. When she said no, the poor teaser would be sorry he ever glanced at her, but when she said yes, you couldn't get her to budge!
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    Oh, and, duh...just click on my profile see Jackie's son as a 5 year old. He's MUCH heavier boned AND muscled than he appears in the photo, I think he was in a wierd growth phase then. He's an absolute TANK.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CBoylen View Post
    Jump. I've never seen a bad jumping Aristos B.

    I'm not sure that he's inconsistant between full siblings, just inconsistant in foal type on the large scale. It probably relates to some variation in the mares, although I've not been able to see a pattern.

    For us he was very consistent with the same mare. We bred six Aristos foals which were all similar in type out of our TB mare Noranda, and did quite well on them as a group. Three are great, two good, and one wasn't quite of the same quality as the rest, but still of the same general build and size. (lbgrrl's mares full brothers for comparison-
    Reggie Pepper- http://pets.webshots.com/photo/25527...50057682bIRWBE
    Game On- http://www.teresaramsay.com/details....gid=&pid=19711 )
    Reggie reminds me the most of Aristos, while Game On is probably the lightest build of the group, although still more substantial than he appears in photos. Spyglass Hill that Kelley Farmer did in the workings was also a full sibling, although I can't find a picture of him.
    Rox Dene's mother produced for her owner three of the same general body type as well, one really great one, one less great but still very top quality, and one of average quality. The last one was smaller, although not drastically.
    So, what would make me choose him over another stallion is that, on the whole, he gives an above average shot of producing an above average horse. He definitely produces an above average jump almost every time.
    I know this is an older thread...but I wanted to follow up on my good fortune!! I now have the mare Karma - Aristos B out of CBoylen's mare Noranda mentioned in this post. She is a lovely mare with huge dapples and a wonderful presence. She is in foal to the Grande Saber son Grande Leviticus (Levi) - Parisienne (Paris) by Pilot.

    I found Paris in Germany at the Wesphalian Select Foal sale. Her damline was exceptional and as a foal she was incredibly blessed with movement and presence. (She was near the top of my budget when the other bidders gave up!! Whew!! ) Paris grew to be a forgiving, very balanced, elegant mare. She went under saddle without so much as a glance back and a off we went! She produced elegant good minded performance horses and proved to be a perfect fit for Saber. In a twist of fate, I sold Levi in utero. He is now at Hunter's Peak.

    I'm grateful for the comments by breeders here concerning stallion choices for the Aristos B mares. (Also the sibling pics too!) I took Karma in the direction of a larger elegant performance sire line well represented in breeding, hunters, dressage and jumping. The formula has worked for me over decades of breeding. Saber's dam was a a deep liver chestnut..so I am hoping for a bit of her to be expressed as well!
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    Do you have any newer photos of Karma? I just recently acquired a two-year old gelding (he is sired by the Hanoverian stallion Riccione) who is a grandson of this mare on his dam side. I happened upon this thread last week and wanted to contribute what I could! I will try to get some photos of him in the meantime.
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