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    in WI corn is usually higher than knee high by the 4th of july. often waist high usually.

    again, not to be doom and gloom, but i decided to adopt the sit and wait and watch tactic.



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    I was being pitched this afternoon byu someone telling that the Canadian market is booming because of the strength of the CAN$. Is this true or was I just being pitched?



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    I think it is true. I'm in Southern California but it's what I have read about Canada.

    And in the US, we just spend more and print more and borrow from China. The US is a drunken sailor home on leave.

    >>>>A $186.5 billion wartime appropriations bill cleared the House Thursday evening together with new aid for the jobless and a landmark expansion of education benefits for veterans returning from Iraq and Afghanistan.

    >>>>Israel, Jordan and Mexico are among the major beneficiaries of an expanded $10.1 billion foreign aid chapter that includes $170 million in new military assistance for Israel — not in prior House or Senate versions of the bill. <<<<<

    >>>...Democrats split 151-80 against the war funding, and with an eye toward November, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calf.) vented her frustration at not having had more impact in changing war policy since coming to power.

    >>>"Let us hope that this is the last time there will ever be another dollar spent without restraints, without conditions, without direction," she said in an emotional floor speech. "Why should we trust the same judgment that got us here in the first place in this war?"

    >>>In fact, the Pentagon and Bush will have a relatively free hand in spending $161.7 billion to pay for military operations in Iraq and Afghanistan, and an additional $4.6 billion is provided for military base and hospital construction projects — many related to the two wars.< Quoted from David Rogers, Politico.com


    (Four Repulicans also voted against more money for the Iraq war)

    Here are the votes:

    http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2008/roll431.xml



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    It's Congress that makes all this spending possible. I think it's funny for Nancy Pelosi to express her frustrations when she's part of the problem. People are quick to blame everything on the President when in reality Congress is where all those budget decisions are made. The only thing Congress does well is voting for their own increases in salaries and benefits.

    Sorry to go off topic for a second....
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    Quote Originally Posted by siegi b. View Post
    It's Congress that makes all this spending possible. I think it's funny for Nancy Pelosi to express her frustrations when she's part of the problem. .



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    Quote Originally Posted by siegi b. View Post
    It's Congress that makes all this spending possible. I think it's funny for Nancy Pelosi to express her frustrations when she's part of the problem. People are quick to blame everything on the President when in reality Congress is where all those budget decisions are made. The only thing Congress does well is voting for their own increases in salaries and benefits.

    Sorry to go off topic for a second....
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    The original post is about the wisdom of breeding in THIS economy. I know it is an ugly subject, not so much fun as discussing bloodlines, but I don't see how the government spending money is off topic in a thread on the economy.

    Some of you may live in areas that are doing fine. My area is NOT. People are losing homes, jobs...

    I think people who vote on spending are insulated from what is really going on.

    Flame suit zipped.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Hillside H Ranch View Post
    Man, ain't that the truth!
    double ditto...my two cents (or now a penny as I had to spend the other for more gas) is if we keep letting government take our hard earned to give to those who don't, not selling horses will be the LEAST of our problems...capitalism and free markets are what make a healthy economy, and we breeders NEED a healthy economy based on the these principles. Socialism doesn't encourage people to buy horses for hobbiest endeavors...in that environment, people buy or sell horses for FOOD.....
    We are very concerned, are breeding only two this year, to the very best, and what so far are popular stallions (not the stallion of the month club types, tho)and can only hope that the foals will be of the quality to appeal to those to whom high gas prices, etc etc, don't really interefere with their pursuit of their hobby...but we ARE cutting WAYYY back, gave away two nice mares last week as PETS.......
    but I agree with the poster who said....you cannot sell what you do not have...so cut back in so that you can keep what doesn't sell at least for awhile, without going in the hole..we're trying...



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    Sorry Ancientoaks, the comment about socialist only buy or sell horses for food is wrong, Norway is a great example of a rich, well educated socialist country. I believe that they have more than enough $ to buy horses for hobby as well as not spending time worrying about how to pay for hospital visits. Yes their taxes are higher but they get more bang for their buck than most capitalists.I would love to have our Gov. own our oil resources again as the oil companies are now foreign and have our politicians in their back pockets, but we just keep voting in the same party over and over again, truely brain damage from all the bullsh@t we smell. So to keep on topic, I am not in the same boat as my American neighbors, I am breeding 5 mares but I also only breed when I have sold others ( to forever homes) I don't charge lots as my overhead is cheap, I own all my land and rent the excess land for $ to pay for other supplies.



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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quality..._index.2C_2005


    See how many countries are above the US now.

    Americans, for the most part, don't know much about how people live in Western European countries. We are aware of horrible conditions in the poorest countries on the globe, and then there is us. So what is life like in the 12 countries above us on the index? What kind of taxes do they pay in order to get what kind of service?

    A few months ago I invested in a mutual fund of Scandinavian companies because they are doing so well.

    I think our country started to go downhill when corporate lobbyists became another arm of government and the media went corporate and catered to the bottom line not to journalism. (I spent 30 years in newspapers).

    It pains me a great deal to see our country unraveling in so many areas.

    I am still on foal watch (367) so I do not know what I am doing re breeding two aging mares.



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    My 2008 babies are all sold so I am breeding 5 mares this year. 3 are already bred, 2 are being pills.

    As for politics, I'm not going to get on my soap box. I'm sure nobody wants to hear it. Has nobody noticed the state of our public schools? Excuse me while I go vomit. With my massive fortune, ha-ha-ha, I've had to pay for private school for my kids. Has nobody noticed the condition of Social Security? Excuse me while I faint. Smaller Government folks, not more. The examples go on and on. These politicians are in it for themselves. You can't blame it all on Bush, Clinton perjured himself in a court of law! Why wasn't he thrown in jail???

    I wish I could truly believe in one of the nominees, but I don't.
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    This could be a long and drawn-out discussion... suffice it to say that the listing you offered is based on so many categories, not all of them properly adjusted for a country the size of the US. One of the countries listed as being "above" the US is Luxembourg. If you know anything about European geography you will realize that Luxembourg is probably the size of Northern Virginia, and if you compare the data for this quality-of-life index using those two, I wouldn't be surprised at all if Northern Virginia came in above Luxembourg.

    So it's all in how you represent things and how you use statistics.

    That aside, I think one of the biggest problems in the US is the general apathy and/or ignorance on the part of its citizens when it comes to political issues. Electing a new president in this country is akin to a Miss American pageant - people vote for a familiar face that appeals to them for whatever reason. You ask the average American about the different candidates' platforms and generally get a blank stare.

    In my opinion it will take a major blow to the economy before Americans will wake up and, hopefully, try to get educated on what happened and what needs to happen in order to effect a turn-around. And, we may be closer to that now with oil prices going through the roof and affecting EVERYTHING in their wake.

    Let's hope it's not going to be too hard a lesson to learn.....
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    Part of the reason for the apathy and/or ignorance of the American people is they THINK the government is the answer to all their problems. They won't realize our country is going broke until it slaps them in the face.

    One of the worst things that has happened is we're all too in debt. From individuals, our schools, hospitals, to our Nation. We all want the quick fix. Get it now! If we don't have the money, we just use our credit cards, or borrow it from China. And the house of cards comes crumbling down. We're all borrowing from Peter to pay Paul. We need to learn to live within our means. Few people save anything anymore and many of us use shopping as a pass time or emotional quick fix.

    Sorry, I'll shut up. I'm excited about my 2009 foal crop. I hope I win the breeding from Showjumpers66. I'd love to breed one of my last 2 mares to Apiro.
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    Quote Originally Posted by misita View Post
    Part of the reason for the apathy and/or ignorance of the American people is they THINK the government is the answer to all their problems. They won't realize our country is going broke until it slaps them in the face.

    One of the worst things that has happened is we're all too in debt. From individuals, our schools, hospitals, to our Nation. We all want the quick fix. Get it now! If we don't have the money, we just use our credit cards, or borrow it from China. And the house of cards comes crumbling down. We're all borrowing from Peter to pay Paul. We need to learn to live within our means. Few people save anything anymore and many of us use shopping as a pass time or emotional quick fix.

    Sorry, I'll shut up. I'm excited about my 2009 foal crop. I hope I win the breeding from Showjumpers66. I'd love to breed one of my last 2 mares to Apiro.
    you and Sigi have said it PERFECTLY...too bad too few listen...all I can say, is be careful what you ask for, you just might get it.....and as for trying to compare Norway to the U.S. that is sheer nonsense...apples to oranges...Norway has HARDLY the history, the diversity in people, assets, problems, attitudes, ethnic groups, special interest groups,natural resources, sheer scope of land mass to manage, sheer magnitude of population of which a huge proportion are takers not givers..and that's just a short list of the differences...it's far more complex than even that. I am saddened to think how many think how 'simple' it all is..
    .I shudder to think of the nincompoops in Congress trying to run an oil company and then, just like taxes, THEY 'decide' what's best for the masses to pay....price supports for corn and milk don't work, and neither will nationalizing ANYTHING...it all started downhill when we let the Feds into our schools....
    many of you are too young to understand that....flame away



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    Geez, Siegi, you and I actually agree on something.

    There is no way to compare what is happening in the U.S. with a so-called "socialist" country in Europe. In the U.S. there is a HUGE underclass of people who just aren't worth a damn. Sorry, but it is true. Those socialist countries in Europe that some of you love to point to would never support the types of "socialist" things that too many here in the U.S. want to implement. There is no "free" healthcare for illegal aliens in european socialist countries, there is no automatic citizenship for illegal aliens crossing borders 9 months pregnant having their babies for free in the hospitals allowing those babies to have access to free education & other "citizen" benefits.

    Everyone should take this example to heart:

    I'm reminded of the time that Catherine - a little girl in our neighborhood - told me that she wanted to be President one day. Both of her parents, liberal Democrats, were standing there with us - and I asked Catherine - "If you were President what would be the first thing you would do?"

    Catherine replied - "I would give houses to all the homeless people."

    "Wow - what a worthy goal you have there Catherine." I told her (while both parents beamed), "but, you don't have to wait until you're President to do that. You can come over to my house and clean up all the dog poop in the back yard and I will pay you $5 dollars. Then we can go over to the grocery store where the homeless guy hangs out, and you can give him the $5 dollars to use for a new house."

    Catherine (who was about 4) thought that over for a second, and then replied, "Why doesn't the homeless guy come over and clean up the dog poop himself, and you can pay him the $5 dollars."

    Welcome to the Republican Party Catherine.



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    Wrong Tri, Welcome Catherine, to what 'used to be' the Republican party. Now the homeless guy can't clean up the dog poop because he's on SSI for alcoholism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by misita View Post
    Wrong Tri, Welcome Catherine, to what 'used to be' the Republican party. Now the homeless guy can't clean up the dog poop because he's on SSI for alcoholism.
    Fabulous analogy, and Misita, right on....when is SOMEONE going to have the guts to stop be so 'politically correct' and tell it like it is before it's too late??? doubtful in our lifetimes..



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    Getting back to the horse biz, though...

    I was intrigued to hear of many A circuit shows (the really big ones) being chocked full of entries. So far, the impact of the economy does not seem to have struck that....what? "Motivation level"? "Income level"? What?
    insulated from what is really going on
    I'm thinking this is why those big, prestigious shows aer doing so well. I have no idea whether this is myth or truth, but someone said that a certain group of wealthy are immune to the ups and downs of the economy. Could this be the case with horse showing?

    Has anyone here seen fewer entries? In what disciplines? I did see a lack of entries at a local h-j show recently and also at a A show (not one of the big ones), but I'm in FL and it may be different here due to, maybe, weather issues or snowbird issues or something.

    Wouldn't you say that most of us breed horses intended to compete? If so, shouldn't we be considering the demand for "horses which compete" in deciding on our breeding strategies and plans? Of course, there's a lag in time between producing them and selling them, but I guess that's why I'm still, like someone else put it, "cautiously optimistic".

    When entries start to fall at the top shows--and thus when the TOP of the market bottoms out--then I may put a temporary halt to producing. What I mean is, I don't want to put foals on the ground when the demand starts slipping because I assume that if that's when it has started, by the time what I've produced is ready to be marketed, the demand may be non-existant.

    But, so far, as far as I can tell, the demand hasn't started to wane yet, so I didn't cut back on the mares bred this year. If, however, the winter circuit down here exhibits a drop in 2009, I may only breed the old mare--who shouldn't be left open because of her age--anticipating that that drop would reflect a downturn in demand up north as well.
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    This might be disjointed because I am trying to finalize last minute details for our Oldenburg inspection tomorrow (I am the organizer).

    However - first of all, if Bill Clinton had paid half as much attention to the growing terrorist threat in the Middle East as he did to Monica Lewinsky, the Sept. 11 attacks would not have happened, and Bush wouldn't be having to root out terrorists in Afghanistan and Iraq.

    Secondly, for those of you bitching and moaning about the cost of the war, the tragic loss of American lives (and I agree, it IS tragic) - you are singing the very song the terrorists want to hear. They believe Americans are weak and chicken-hearted and more concerned with preserving their extravagant lifestyles than in protecting its freedom and promoting freedom for other people around the world. You are proving them right.

    And to keep this horse related - as I said when this topic came up before: If the Democrats gain full control in Washington and ram through tax increases - and they WILL increase taxes - you can bet your sweet bippy the horse industry will be affected BIG TIME. Horses are a LUXURY - yes, even for those of you with so-called "horse-breeding" businesses. When the upper middle class (the largest buyer of horses and horse-related products and services) has less discretionary income because they are paying more in taxes, they will stop buying horses, take their horses out of training, stop showing, put their horses on the market (or in a worst case scenario, send them to cheapo auctions), etc.

    The Democrats are BAD NEWS for the economy, and BAD NEWS for America. If you can't see that, then you need to ask your school teachers why they didn't teach you a little bit about history and economics. A people that is trained from birth to believe that more and more GOVERNMENT is the solution to all problems is doomed to fail.

    Amazing to me, that in my lifetime I have witnessed both "The Greatest Generation" and "The Weakest Generation."



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    Quote Originally Posted by DownYonder View Post
    This might be disjointed because I am trying to finalize last minute details for our Oldenburg inspection tomorrow (I am the organizer).

    However - first of all, if Bill Clinton had paid half as much attention to the growing terrorist threat in the Middle East as he did to Monica Lewinsky, the Sept. 11 attacks would not have happened, and Bush wouldn't be having to root out terrorists in Afghanistan and Iraq.

    Secondly, for those of you bitching and moaning about the cost of the war, the tragic loss of American lives (and I agree, it IS tragic) - you are singing the very song the terrorists want to hear. They believe Americans are weak and chicken-hearted and more concerned with preserving their extravagant lifestyles than in protecting its freedom and promoting freedom for other people around the world. You are proving them right.

    And to keep this horse related - as I said when this topic came up before: If the Democrats gain full control in Washington and ram through tax increases - and they WILL increase taxes - you can bet your sweet bippy the horse industry will be affected BIG TIME. Horses are a LUXURY - yes, even for those of you with so-called "horse-breeding" businesses. When the upper middle class (the largest buyer of horses and horse-related products and services) has less discretionary income because they are paying more in taxes, they will stop buying horses, take their horses out of training, stop showing, put their horses on the market (or in a worst case scenario, send them to cheapo auctions), etc.

    The Democrats are BAD NEWS for the economy, and BAD NEWS for America. If you can't see that, then you need to ask your school teachers why they didn't teach you a little bit about history and economics. A people that is trained from birth to believe that more and more GOVERNMENT is the solution to all problems is doomed to fail.

    Amazing to me, that in my lifetime I have witnessed both "The Greatest Generation" and "The Weakest Generation."
    AMEN AND GOD BLESS YOU.for telling it like it is.......and by the way, want to borrow my flame suit? found this quite true and frightening.. This is the most interesting thing I've read in a long time. The sad thing about it, you can see it coming.
    I have always heard about this democracy countdown. It is interesting to see it in print. God help us, not that we deserve it.


    HOW LONG DO WE HAVE?

    About the time our original thirteen states adopted their new constitution in 1787, Alexander Tyler, a Scottish history professor at the University of Edinburgh , had this to say about the fall of the Athenian Republic some 2,000 years earlier:



    'A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government.'



    'A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury.'



    '>From that moment on, the majority always vote for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship.'



    'The average age of the world's greatest civilizations from the beginning of history, has been about 200 years'



    'During those 200 years, those nations always progressed through the following sequence:



    1. from bondage to spiritual faith;



    2. from spiritual faith to great courage;



    3. from courage to liberty;



    4. from liberty to abundance;



    5. from abundance to complacency;



    6. from complacency to apathy;



    7. from apathy to dependence;



    8. from dependence back into bondage'



    Professor Joseph Olson of Hemline University School of Law, St. Paul , Minnesota , points out some interesting facts concerning the 2000 Presidential election:



    Number of States won by: Democrats: 19 Republicans: 29



    Square miles of land won by: Democrats: 580,000 Republicans: 2,427,000



    Population of counties won by: Democrats: 127 million Republicans: 143 million



    Murder rate per 100,000 residents in counties won by: Democrats: 13.2 Republicans: 2.1



    Professor Olson adds: 'In aggregate, the map of the territory Republican won was mostly the land owned by the taxpaying citizens of this great country. Democrat territory mostly encompassed those citizens living in government-owned tenements and living off various forms of government welfare...' Olson believes the United States is now somewhere between the 'complacency and apathy' phase of Professor Tyler's definition of democracy, with some forty percent of the nation's population already having reached the 'governmental dependency' phase.



    If Congress grants amnesty and citizenship to twenty million criminal invaders called illegal's and they vote, then we can say goodbye to the USA in fewer than five years.



    If you are in favor of this, then by all means, delete this message. If you are not, then pass this along to help everyone realize just how much is at stake, knowing that apathy is the greatest danger to our freedom.



    WE LIVE IN THE LAND OF THE FREE,
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