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    Quote Originally Posted by Linz View Post
    Ick...would not recommend breeding to anything having to do with Indian Artifacts. Hate him. Babies are bad hocked and have no ass.

    Go straight to the source and try Artful Move or Art I Sweet.
    hmmm...Indian Artifacts is BY Artful Move!



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    Quote Originally Posted by shawneeAcres View Post
    hmmm...Indian Artifacts is BY Artful Move!
    My sister shows AQHA and there is an Indian Artifacts hunter at her trainer's place and he's gorgeous. I've always been a big fan of Artful Move - he is such a nice horse.

    I imagine he'll want to go WB, but would consider the right QH if he were big and fancy.



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    I don't have much experience with QH's or Appendix's, but we had an Indian Artifacts son come in for training at the barn a while ago. He had tremendous hind end problems, we never we able to figure out just what was wrong with him. He was not well conformed in his hind end, very waspy. Though he was a big guy at around 17H. He was also quite flighty. He had a great lope, but again, those hind end issues bothered me A LOT!

    I'm going to throw stallion out there that I just had a filly by because I think he's the best kept secret! Argosy, who stand at Little Bull Run Farm. He's super nice, was a doll in person, handsome, and I'm in love with the filly we just had by him!



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    Quote Originally Posted by shawneeAcres View Post
    hmmm...Indian Artifacts is BY Artful Move!
    Yeah, exactly - hence my "go to the source" comment. Artful Move is a much stronger horse. And Art I Sweet is probably one of the best hunters that line has thrown.

    The main difference is that Art I Sweet is out of a halter/pleasure bred QH mare while Indian Artifacts is out of a TB mare. It makes a HUGE difference as far as putting a strong hind end on one - which obviously would be key for the hunters/jumpers



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    Quote Originally Posted by VirginiaBred View Post
    Completely false. Every one of his children are taller than he is.
    Heh. There are two lovely 15.2 hand Just The Best babies currently at the stable. One is out of a 16.2 hand mare and the other out of a solid 16.3 hand mare.

    His get are occasionally available in the local horse mags and I have yet to see one over 16 hands.

    I've seen his dam and she's a shorty, too. Maybe that's where the size is coming from.

    IIRC, you currently have a mare bred to Justin, right? Good luck, I hope the foal is everything you've dreamed of.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarabeth
    Heh. There are two lovely 15.2 hand Just The Best babies currently at the stable. One is out of a 16.2 hand mare and the other out of a solid 16.3 hand mare.

    His get are occasionally available in the local horse mags and I have yet to see one over 16 hands.

    I've seen his dam and she's a shorty, too. Maybe that's where the size is coming from.

    IIRC, you currently have a mare bred to Justin, right? Good luck, I hope the foal is everything you've dreamed of.
    Well heck! Okay I stand corrected! Yes, I bred a mare to him hoping for some good size, and will KEEP hoping for it!
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    I love both the Sir Caletto's I bred:

    here's the yearling:
    http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g1...State203-1.jpg

    and the soon to be three year old:

    http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g1...eshow2yo-1.jpg

    And his offspring out of a TB mare won the IHF 2 year old under saddle last year.
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    I know there is a TB that has been pretty succesful in the IHF and having them continue on in the regular show ranks with Ammies.

    Is it Castle Magic? Or is that one of his get? Something like that...anybody? No idea of size on that one though.

    One thing you can do is go to the KHP this Sept for the IHF classes during the week. The weather is usually gorgeous and you can see what you are likely to get up close and personal jumping around.
    When opportunity knocks it's wearing overalls and looks like work.

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    I forgot about Sir Caletto. He is a good choice. I've had 3 and they were taller then their mothers. I agree with Sarabeth most of the Just the Bests I've seen are smaller. The one I bred was small.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Linz View Post
    Yeah, exactly - hence my "go to the source" comment. Artful Move is a much stronger horse. And Art I Sweet is probably one of the best hunters that line has thrown.

    The main difference is that Art I Sweet is out of a halter/pleasure bred QH mare while Indian Artifacts is out of a TB mare. It makes a HUGE difference as far as putting a strong hind end on one - which obviously would be key for the hunters/jumpers
    Sorry, guess I once again disagree, I like Artful Move and Art I Sweet, loking right now at a two year old by him, BUT there is a reason that Indian Artifacts and the other horse I menitoned, his son Indian Artbeat are approved breeding sires by AWS and Indain Artifancts by AWR. In addition your statement really doesn't make sense, I mean if Artful Move will put a good hind end on a TB mare, then why does Indian Arifacts, a son of his out of a TB have a "bad hindend" (which frankly I don't think he does). If you take a quick look at the horse I mentioned free jumping over 4'6" and 5' he has FABULOUS form and really using his back end, that is why I am considering him for my mare, he really JUMPS great and honestly most of the "popular" QH stallions are bred more for the toe pointing, no bend to the joints AT ALL movement, which doesn';t usually jump that well. Just my opinion.



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    I think Indian Artifacts is beautiful, and his offspring are too....but the ones that I have worked with ummm...have not had the most ammy friendly attitudes. Just my personal experience with a couple. I am certainly no expert.



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    iron spring farm has FANTASTIC stallions that make great winners.

    they have lovely babies as well.

    i highly suggest them..

    http://www.ironspringfarm.com/horses...sidenav=roster

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    I definitely second Alla' Czar. I've known a number of his offsping, and they were all bigger than their dams and totally amateur friendly. He has been breeding for a good long time and was USEF leading hunter sire for something like 5 years, if memory serves. Also if your friend likes a lot of chrome, that's an added bonus - I have one friend who bred his plain, unmarked brown TB mare to Alla' Czar 4 times, and every single baby had a big blaze and knee high stockings.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarabeth View Post
    His get are all beautiful with great minds, but he doesn't throw height. Don't expect him to add on your mare.
    I bred to Just the Best and my 2 yr old is already taller than my mare! So, I'm not so sure about the height thing. (My mare is 16.1h and her dam was 16h and sire was 16.1) I'm actually afraid that my boy may get to be too big!!! Luckily, my mare is due to foal another Just the Best baby in 5 weeks or so. I can't say enough great stuff about the attitude. I also just bought a Just the Best 5 yr old in Jan so I would have soemthing to play with while my baby grows up! I am a BIG fan!!!!



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    I agree with the suggestion of breeding her to a pony stallion. She is a great height to get a large pony out of.

    Popeye K is a very nice stallion. I do believe he has a great temperment and is currently being shown by his ammy owner in the 2'6" divisions. That sure shows alot about him and that he can do the 4' with a pro and 2'6" with an ammy.

    All the Gold is also a very nice option. His offspring are usually quiet natured and very nice. Of course with every stallion, it all really depends on who you breed them to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shawneeAcres View Post
    Sorry, guess I once again disagree, I like Artful Move and Art I Sweet, loking right now at a two year old by him, BUT there is a reason that Indian Artifacts and the other horse I menitoned, his son Indian Artbeat are approved breeding sires by AWS and Indain Artifancts by AWR. In addition your statement really doesn't make sense, I mean if Artful Move will put a good hind end on a TB mare, then why does Indian Arifacts, a son of his out of a TB have a "bad hindend" (which frankly I don't think he does). If you take a quick look at the horse I mentioned free jumping over 4'6" and 5' he has FABULOUS form and really using his back end, that is why I am considering him for my mare, he really JUMPS great and honestly most of the "popular" QH stallions are bred more for the toe pointing, no bend to the joints AT ALL movement, which doesn';t usually jump that well. Just my opinion.
    You seem to have entirely forgot about the mares factor in what the foal looks like. Personally I prefer horses out of stouter mares, not so much horses of of TBs. Though my gelding is by a pleasure horse out of a TB mare, so he's sort of the same but opposite.

    Anyway, good luck to you with whatever you buy. That's great the AWR approved Indian Artifacts and his son. I still would never breed to them, and personally based on that trot photo of the son, do think he looks weak behind in that respect. But if all you're going to do is jump, then perhaps that doesn't matter so much.



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    I guess it just depends on which horses you look at. There are a lot of Just The Best youngsters that are significanly bigger than their dams. A lot of things can affect the size of the foal. First foals are frequently smaller than subsequent foals. Environment and nutrition can affect size. Just The Best usually throws between 16 hands to 16.3. There are also several that are over 17 hands.

    Sarabeth, I don't what stable you are in that has some small ones. It would be interesting to know if those were "first foals". What size foals have these mares had if they have bred multiple times? I can direct you some stables that have several big Just The Bests.

    Whatever their size, their owners are thrilled with them. A very high percentage of his breeding book is repeat breeders who keep coming back to him year after year. So, obviously they are happy with the size of their Just The Best offspring and they are thrilled with the quality, athletic ability, correct conformation, beautiful movement, jumping style and the wonderful minds that he produces.
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    Shine is smallish as CBoylen mentioned, maybe 16.0 or 16.1 hands and refined. He is stunning. He stands in Texas (thanks be to the one above because he was kicking butt here in VA in the AOs, so I am happy he is off tormenting another state in the show ring - I really do like him, just prefer to show against less shiny horses!)

    Popeye K is drool worthy and has a great temperament. But he is not dainty - I have no idea how big the his babies are when they hit the ground.

    Personally, if I had a mare and was looking for a TB I would go with "A Fine Romance" but you said QH or WB.



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    Quote Originally Posted by findeight View Post
    Most of us don't breed and tend to look at the performance instead of the names.
    You mean you don't look at the pedigree ?
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