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    Default big browns' health v. fame?

    what do you think they should do race him again or not?

    I would die to have a triple crown winner in my life time and he seems like he really could do it. But I don't want to see another big name race horse have to be put down because of an injury.

    I heard that his hoof is basically completely split yesterday, that they are no longer just quarter cracks. I don't know all that much about hooves just the basic need to know. But is filling it really going to be that safe, can't it come out during the race and possibly harm a horse?



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    Good grief people are on a whitch hunt of sorts on thi quarter crack thing. It's a long way from his heart and very manageAble and maintainable. He will be fine as frogs hair come Belmont day. This is not something that will lead to he demise. It' unfortunate, but he'll live, and race.



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    You heard incorrectly. I believe he won't even know he has a foot during the Belmont let alone a bad foot and then he will retire to stud immediately after and live happily ever after.



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    Agreed Laurierace, it is Dutrow afterall.



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    Dutrow will probably have the foot freeze ointment applied on Friday night.



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    Quote Originally Posted by ridingstudent View Post
    what do you think they should do race him again or not?

    I would die to have a triple crown winner in my life time and he seems like he really could do it. But I don't want to see another big name race horse have to be put down because of an injury.

    I heard that his hoof is basically completely split yesterday, that they are no longer just quarter cracks. I don't know all that much about hooves just the basic need to know. But is filling it really going to be that safe, can't it come out during the race and possibly harm a horse?
    Hmmm, where'd you hear this?

    It was a 5/8" quarter crack for crying out loud, caught early and treated by one of, if not THE, specialists in the field.

    FWIW, Big Brown resumed training this morning, jogged 1 1/2 miles on the wet track.
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    Oh man Chinoko you just hit one of my "buttons". A long way from the heart? So were the broken bones in Eight Belles ankles. Those are the words of people who really do not want to think about anything that is going to hamper their ability to be rich and famous, or just plain make money. I have heard that from the less than ethical people at the race track when you feel heat in a horses tendon, or swelling and bring it to their attention. There in a nutshell is the "don't bother me with reality I am too busy trying to keep my rose colored glasses firmly glued in front of my eyes." or "put em in they'll win", there are several variations on the theme.
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    "I heard that his hoof is basically completely split yesterday."

    Hopefully this is just another rumor running around your school.
    "The best thing for the inside of a man is the outside of a horse" Lord Palmerston



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    I heard his whole foot fell off and they're auctioning it off on Ebay...

    Starting bid $10,000

    Don't fall for a girl who fell for a horse just to be number two in her world... ~EFO



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    This just in from Dutrow....

    "Yeah, Babe, we decided to spot the rest of the field a hoof and an eight of mile, he's still gonna crush 'em. This is a superhorse.
    Oh, and I'm gonna ride him too. Yeah, Babe, it ain't bragging if you can do it".



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    Quote Originally Posted by DickHertz View Post
    Dutrow will probably have the foot freeze ointment applied on Friday night.
    And then some. foot freeze is baby stuff.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Calamber View Post
    Oh man Chinoko you just hit one of my "buttons". A long way from the heart? So were the broken bones in Eight Belles ankles. Those are the words of people who really do not want to think about anything that is going to hamper their ability to be rich and famous, or just plain make money. I have heard that from the less than ethical people at the race track when you feel heat in a horses tendon, or swelling and bring it to their attention. There in a nutshell is the "don't bother me with reality I am too busy trying to keep my rose colored glasses firmly glued in front of my eyes." or "put em in they'll win", there are several variations on the theme.
    I apologize. A quarter crack will not lead to him breaking down. He is in the hands of someone who will ensure that the foot is a good as it can be come Belmont day, and he really has no competition. I think it was Penny Chennery or Turcotte that said "Secretariat could fall down and still win this race." I think the same thing applies here.
    Eight Belles was a freak thing. And yes, far from her heart, so It was callous for me to make such a statement. Like I said, I apologize. It is a commonly used term. And you do learn what you can press on and what you ought not. She was an accident, plain and simple. An accident that turns my old hardened stomach. My heart bled for her and her and her connections. That happens rarely.
    Horse racing isn't the devil. I apologize for being "callous."
    Big Brown will not be feeling his feet come race day and although they'll be riding against him like they did Smarty Jones. I hope he can overcome.
    PLUS there has been some bad press about his feet, tough to know what is "press" and what is reality.



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    After all of the speculation, I found this article interesting.

    http://www.drf.com/news/article/94948.html



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    At worst, he would lose the race. He wont fall over or have a foot land in the 3rd row of 2nd floor boxes because of a quarter crack. I'm sure he'll be fine.

    I realize that everyone is overly aware of breakdowns just now but cracks generally don't cause breakdowns because they are not an acute injury but one that occurs over time. That foot will be so tightly bundled up that if it did fly off it would kill someone on the space station!
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    Good grief Linny...as horrible as that sounds, it did make me laugh...



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    Having had a LOT of direct interraction with Ian I can tell you whole heartedly that if he says its fine, especially to the media, then it's better than fine.

    Ian does NOT mess around. I remember he was quoted back a few years saying that he had patched a 1/4 crack on some Triple crown contender but that he "didn't have much hope it would work." Seriously.

    I think its worth mentioning that foot freeze is legal btw. And depending on who you talk to, is basically just viable enough to make the trainer think its working.

    ~Emily
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    Quote Originally Posted by Texarkana View Post
    I heard his whole foot fell off and they're auctioning it off on Ebay...

    Starting bid $10,000

    You totally owe me a new keyboard. Mine is now covered with the pepsi that came out of my nose



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    Default Question for Laurierace...

    I saw on tv that his "quarter crack" was sutured with wire. Looked kind of nasty to me and I can't quite understand how that could be done. Would you mind educating ...
    thanks



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    I saw on tv that his "quarter crack" was sutured with wire. Looked kind of nasty to me and I can't quite understand how that could be done. Would you mind educating ...
    This video is of BB's farrier, Ian McKinlay, and those are Yasha shoes applied. He fully explains the process as to why and what he is doing. This isn't some backyard shoer who is just playing around as Ian is considered the best in this area:

    Video: 9 min - quarter crack repair

    The video was previously cited in the Big Brown thread that typically has answered everyone's questions and more



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    My last year galloping we had 2 horses in the barn with exactly the same problem. One was Scorpion and one was Orientate. Orientate's foot was nothing by glue and poxy. Ian Mckinley was in charge of putting them back toghether. I've never seen anything like it. But, Orientate ran in the BC Classic that year finishing near last and not because of his foot. A year later he came back and won the BC sprint. His foot did not fall off, and obviously he had not too many problems because he came back to winning ways. We really are making an awful lot out of this whole foot thing.

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