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  1. #1
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    Default CSH people - "first premium" offspring? "Elite" mares?

    Doing some virtual shopping for youngsters...I checked out the CSHA website but I can't figure out the answer to this question, can anyone help?

    How does a CSH foal get to be "first premium". I can't see on their site where they inspect foals. I have seen this on a few ads.

    And...Are mares put into different categories when inspected - I see some youngsters listed as being "out of premium (or) elite CSH mare", etc. however on their website, I can't see the criteria for the different categories.

    What does a mare have to score on inspection to be Elite? To be Premium? How hard is this to accomplish? Do 80% of OTTB mares wind up "premium", or is it actually something to brag about? What are typical scores, are the results of inspections listed anywhere?



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    The CSHA does not do foal inspections, but they do have a foal futurity where the entered foals are placed, graded and given premiums so I would guess that the foals you are seeing advertised are foals that have taken part in a futurity class.

    I have attended quite a few CSHA inspections and have never seen a mare given an elite or premium title. I'm fairly sure that they can (or at least used to be able to) get broze, silver or gold premium titles via their performance record if the owner applies for them to have that status after they have been inspected and approved.



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    Are you sure they weren't Canadian Warmblood? They do rate mares as being 1st and 2nd premium at their inspections.



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    Mares are given a premium status if they score over 70% at their mare inspection. 80% and above is 1st premium. 70-80% is 2nd premium. At the last inspection, 2 mares were 1st Premium, (a Goodtimes mare with 82.5, and a TBx mare with 80.00) I think 2nd premium is more common. I don't think there is an "Elite" status.

    In 2006, 80 mares were inspected. 7 mares were awarded 1st Premium. 42 mares were awarded 2nd Premium. The top scoring TB had a score of 78.5. I counted about 10 TB mares in the 2nd Premiums. (I just eliminated the known WB's) I got this info from the CSHA spring newsletter from 2007.

    Foals and Yearlings can be nominated for the yearly championships. The youngsters are given 1st and 2nd Premiums depending on their scores. Sometimes the scores are given, sometimes not. My 2 year old Ikoon baby was scored 1st Premium as a weanling, but his score was never posted.
    Last edited by TheBandit; May. 4, 2008 at 03:37 PM. Reason: adding more info.



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    Is the foal futurity not open to all Canadian registered foals (CSH and CWB)?



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    My Coolcorron Cool Diamond mare was just inspected 2 weeks ago and received a Second Premium -scoring 78%.
    Her now yearling is therefore eligible as full CSH registered, he wasnt at the inspection, but her second premium status doesnt pass on to him. Hope that helps.
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    I have a first premium filly - she was born in 2006 - by rio grande out of my tb/belgian mare - her score was 86%.

    This is under Canadian Sport horse only. In 2007 they added a division for one year olds - so you could show foals and yearlings.

    There are usually (I think) five shows across Canada - and then the top scoring wins the championship.

    They have one judge who goes to all the shows and judges this class only - he video tapes the top entries. Last two years it has been bob henselwood - jill henselwood's husband.

    While I am sure he does a great job - imo it should be a panel - with a jump judge, a dressage judge and an eventing judge - scoring the babies and then averaging it out.

    I am not complaining as my filly did well - I just like to see a more broad discipline judging system.



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    CWHBA also does foal futurities...

    BOB rocks- great inspector! (he was one of the inspectors who liscenced Texas as a 3 year old)
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    Default Inspectors

    I hear you on the wish to have 3 inspectors of varietal background. However, Bob Henselwood is excellent. He was one of 4 judges on the stallion judging panel the year our stallion was licensed, and his opinion was insightful. Plus we presented a dressage specialist, and his marks were extreme on movement..and have been with every judging panel since, so I have no qualms about Mr. Henselwood and his teams.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Irish Momma View Post
    Her now yearling is therefore eligible as full CSH registered
    I was under the impression that the CSHA can't register horses but simply records the pedigree. Something about them being an evolving breed and Ag Canada won't allow registration as such but the papers you get are more like COP papers.

    Can someone clear that up ?



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    Yes, what you get from the CSHA is a "Certificate of Identification". I believe that as they are classed under the Animal Pedigree Act as an "evolving breed" in order for them to issue real registration papers the horse has to be at least an F4.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Charmb View Post
    I hear you on the wish to have 3 inspectors of varietal background. However, Bob Henselwood is excellent. He was one of 4 judges on the stallion judging panel the year our stallion was licensed, and his opinion was insightful. Plus we presented a dressage specialist, and his marks were extreme on movement..and have been with every judging panel since, so I have no qualms about Mr. Henselwood and his teams.
    I never said he was not knowledgable - I am just saying that the foals should not just be judged from a jumper background.

    Also, it is a little confusing when the foal championships or yearlings are judged with horses in a certain order, then the next class - the sport horse line class puts the horses in almost the exact opposite order. It is quite confusing to know what they are looking for if the championships are placed one way and then you see the line class not placing any of the top placed championship babies.

    I have seen this happen twice when I have been there so you can see why I think it is not consistent.



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