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    Quote Originally Posted by DickHertz View Post
    I said $$$ - because everyone knows if you have a precocious 2 year old the races are really easy to win. Everyone wants to win easy races by having a mature 2 year old which is why they want to race them so young.
    I'm going to have to whole heartedly disagree with this. Does it make sense to get out there, make some money by winning early in the "easy" races? Sure. But that's not why they do it. Most trainers have a plan for a horse. They don't just enter into races for the sake of entering into races.

    Again. This is a business. Not a joke. I'm sure there are some out there that don't care but for majority it is a means of making a living. They aren't going to do fly by the seat of their pants and hope for they best - they plan and they aim for the races based on the standards of the sport that have been set in stone for ages.
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    Default Bramlage comments.....off Yahoo Sports

    The Humane Society of the United States also weighed in Monday, arguing that horses are becoming more fragile because they’re being bred for speed, not durability.

    “There are problems coming to light more than ever—problems related to breeding,” said Wayne Pacelle, Humane Society president. “Breeding too many horses, and waiting for someone else to clean up the problem. And breeding them for body characteristics that make these animals vulnerable to breakdowns, especially those spindly legs on top of these stout torsos.”

    Dr. Larry Bramlage, the on-call veterinarian at Churchill Downs during the Derby, acknowledged there was merit to that argument. He suggested there should be more financial incentives for horses who display longevity, rather than just the ability to come up big in one huge race.

    “The value of a horse is no longer related to how much he can win on the racetrack,” Bramlage said. “It’s related to how likely he can get you to one of those events. The breed creeps toward a faster and faster individual, but that individual may be brilliant because they have a lighter skeleton. We’re inadvertently selecting for the wrong thing.”


    To consistently say, death is a "part of the sport" is no longer acceptable. That only condones the fatalities instead of working to correct or greatly limit the deaths. There are those who came to the charge for the greyhounds but we seem to turn a blind eye to horse racing, defending the casualties as "a part of the sport." The same goes for eventing (yes, I know I'll get flamed big time) as the results from recent USEA events proves there is room for improvement. When was the last time we heard of a Dressage horse being euthanized in the ring? Point being, we should not accept any the conditions in any sport whereas death can be a consequence.

    Those who profess, "I'll never watch another race" only add to the problem. Your absence of viewership will not make a dent in the industry. Instead, champion the cause, unemotionally & intelligently, placing energies into making changes.

    Those who defend the sport & it's casualties, put it into perspective. 2 out of 1000 horse died needlessly. Surely that is an underinflated figure as it does not include horses in exercise & I am doubtful that smaller tracks keep accurate figures.



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    “The value of a horse is no longer related to how much he can win on the racetrack,” Bramlage said. “It’s related to how likely he can get you to one of those events. The breed creeps toward a faster and faster individual, but that individual may be brilliant because they have a lighter skeleton. We’re inadvertently selecting for the wrong thing.”


    Wouldn't Big Brown be an example of that? He wins some huge races, maybe the triple crown, then is retired to stud to pass on his speed and bad feet. There probably are mares out there who also have bad feet but are fast and will be bred to him too that will compound the problem.
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    I just read this article of ESPN and even though it is by a sports writer it has many valid points.
    http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/colum...sportCat=horse

    I really believe that line-breeding has become a major problem for the TB horse industry.The racing gene pool is becoming so small and I personally think that this is why so many more breakdowns are happening today then ever before. Breeders need to get back to breeding not solely for speed but also for sturdiness and stamina.

    This article goes into her pedigree and that her grandsire, Unbridled, all be it sires fast horse, he also has been known to sire brittle horses. Two of his breeding sons (Grindstone and Unbridles Song, Eight Belles sire) were retired due to leg injuries.

    And yes, Big Brown has some horrible feet (I know all about quarter cracks having dealt with one the past two years with my low slung heeled warmblood) and just because he is big and fast will he really pass along the genes that the racing industry needs????

    Anyway, RIP Eight Belles. If the Barbaro tragedy didn't open enough eyes, I really think this one did so maybe there is some light at the end of this.
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    The video link has Randy Moss saying upfront things like "PETA makes sense" and "I agree with PETA about some things" - for instance, the banning of whips.

    During the interview RM said that PETA was totally wrong about the jockey (but we all knew that was just their brilliant this'll-get-the-wire-services-to-pick-up-the-story ploy).

    He also said that the whip issue has been in discussion, that he wrote a column about it several weeks ago, and that he talked about the idea with Jerry Bailey, who agreed with him. IMHO he should've said that FIRST. I don't think everyone listened to the entire interview and what they'll remember is "PETA said" "PETA's idea" "PETA is right."

    Those on here are exactly right who said RACING needs to have someone who will speak IMMEDIATELY after tragedies like Eight Belles'. Reporters need sources. They have to quote somebody. They have to. Like Larry Bramlage. Always on to give the veterinarian POV. In the absence of a racing spokesperson, they still need quotes, so who's there? PETA.



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    I agree that breeding, the footing and the money all play a part. The issue as I see it is when are horse people going to wake up and start regulating themselves, before someone else does? That should be the first priority for all of us, setting up some rules that help prevent this kind of accident happening. Fix the footing, limit the age vs. length and work towards making the money out of a longer lasting racer, instead of a quick one with breeding as the final goal.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Anne FS View Post
    The video link has Randy Moss saying upfront things like "PETA makes sense" and "I agree with PETA about some things" - for instance, the banning of whips.

    During the interview RM said that PETA was totally wrong about the jockey (but we all knew that was just their brilliant this'll-get-the-wire-services-to-pick-up-the-story ploy).

    He also said that the whip issue has been in discussion, that he wrote a column about it several weeks ago, and that he talked about the idea with Jerry Bailey, who agreed with him. IMHO he should've said that FIRST. I don't think everyone listened to the entire interview and what they'll remember is "PETA said" "PETA's idea" "PETA is right."

    Those on here are exactly right who said RACING needs to have someone who will speak IMMEDIATELY after tragedies like Eight Belles'. Reporters need sources. They have to quote somebody. They have to. Like Larry Bramlage. Always on to give the veterinarian POV. In the absence of a racing spokesperson, they still need quotes, so who's there? PETA.
    I kid you not, there was a reporter from the Washington Post wandering around the backside at Pimlico this afternoon "interviewing" the drunks. I can only imagine what that article is going to look like.



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    Rest In Peace, Eight Belles... your legacy lives on, let your spirit gallop free in heaven.
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