The Chronicle of the Horse
MagazineNewsHorse SportsHorse CareCOTH StoreVoicesThe Chronicle UntackedDirectoriesMarketplaceDates & Results
 
Results 1 to 18 of 18
  1. #1
    Join Date
    Jul. 1, 2000
    Location
    Goochland, VA
    Posts
    1,442

    Default DressageDaily article re rule change proposal

    I suggested to Mary Phelps that she put something up on her website and she said several people had emailed her about this issue.

    My contribution to the cause of getting the word out:

    http://dressagedaily.com/2008/dd_200...0109-usef.html

    California Dressage Society (5000 members) and Potomac Valley Dressage Association (over 1000 members) both wrote letters expressing concern about and opposition to the proposed rule change, and those are at the USEF convention in Louisville right now with representatives who will distribute them.



  2. #2
    Join Date
    Oct. 31, 2001
    Location
    West of insanity, east of apathy, deep in the heart of Texas.
    Posts
    15,797

    Cool

    Interesting. We're supposed to support a qualification system that doesn't exist yet. Sorry, but I don't support anything that I can't read first. Who do we e-mail to express our displeasure?
    In loving memory of Laura Jahnke.
    A life lived by example, done too soon.
    www.caringbridge.org/page/laurajahnke/



  3. #3
    Join Date
    Jul. 1, 2000
    Location
    Goochland, VA
    Posts
    1,442

    Default

    ESG, you're arriving very late to this party. This has been widely discussed and debated on this and UDBB for the past month.

    Check out some of the other threads on this BB re this issue. The USEF Board of Directors will vote on the rule change proposal this week--they are meeting right now in Louisville.

    Other threads here have lists of USEF BoD and Dressage Committee emails, but they are all at the convention and may not be checking their email. I would still send email if you have comments for them.

    You can try getting ahold of the hotel where the convention is (it's on the USEF website under 2008 convention, it's in Louisville but I can't remember off the top of my head the name of it) and see how you could fax a letter. You can call USEF or USDF and find out how to get a message or letter to people there.

    You can also try emailing acook@usef.org That is Abigail Cook, the person at USEF in charge of collecting comments and distributing them to the Dressage Committee. Put in the subject line of the email that it's important and about 275-07. Maybe she'll print it and give it to them.

    You can also try emailing a letter to davenport@saber.net with the same subject line in the email. That's Connie Davenport, who is along with a CDS contingent at the convention to address this issue. She might be able to print your email or letter and distribute it for you.



  4. #4
    Join Date
    Oct. 16, 2002
    Posts
    1,289

    Default

    Rebecca,

    Thank you for updating and organizing all the information, and showing the way to make our opinions heard.

    Good article.
    Last edited by claire; Jan. 9, 2008 at 12:06 PM.



  5. #5
    Join Date
    Oct. 16, 2002
    Posts
    1,289



  6. #6
    Join Date
    Aug. 7, 2000
    Posts
    3,951

    Default

    Thank you, Rebecca!

    I am somewhat chagrined at the "Mom-knows-best' attitude of the USEF DC.

    We ALL love our sport and we ALL want to see the sport grow in positive ways.

    It does make me wonder a bit that no one on the DC seems to recognize that there can be any viewpoint but the version they have chosen.

    In any case, I hope people continue to write to the BoD, whatever viewpoint you wish to uphold.

    Sure, this proposal has received more public interest than just about all the other rule change proposals combined. This proposal is about the future of the sport, the road we all will take.
    It never occurred to me that the decision as to which road we all take would ever be in the hands of a few, unchosen-by-the-membership committee members.

    Please -- in NO WAY am I denigrating the hard work and time and energy that the committee has put into their work. Certainly, they love the sport as much or more as do we all .
    one oak, lots of canyons

    http://horsesportnews.wordpress.com/



  7. #7
    Join Date
    Oct. 31, 2001
    Location
    West of insanity, east of apathy, deep in the heart of Texas.
    Posts
    15,797

    Cool

    My apologies, rebecca. I didn't realize there were prerequisites to posting on this thread. As it happens, I've been aware of the proposed rule change for quite some time. Since you posted so prominently, I was under the impression that this was something new and enlightening. Sorry to have wasted bandwidth, asking stupid questions.
    In loving memory of Laura Jahnke.
    A life lived by example, done too soon.
    www.caringbridge.org/page/laurajahnke/



  8. #8
    Join Date
    Nov. 8, 2005
    Posts
    31

    Default

    I feel like I have been under a rock, why didn't my GMO know something of this(NCDCTA). I showed all year, went to an Arthur Kottas clinic in July in Charlottesville, VA, I would have thought that I would have heard a comment or two.

    Why wouldn't this go thru the USDF since they have access to all of the membership the rule would pertain to?

    If they decide at the USEF convention to go thru with this, if we get 30% of members or 20% of GMO's to go against this, then we can have the rule reversed. I'm going by the way the rule states on the USEF website.

    I am fairly certain of my facts if not, just want all to know, I am not above being corrected.
    Racheal



  9. #9
    Join Date
    Dec. 10, 2006
    Location
    Mebane, NC
    Posts
    68

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by piaffegirl View Post
    I feel like I have been under a rock, why didn't my GMO know something of this(NCDCTA). I showed all year, went to an Arthur Kottas clinic in July in Charlottesville, VA, I would have thought that I would have heard a comment or two.

    Why wouldn't this go thru the USDF since they have access to all of the membership the rule would pertain to?

    If they decide at the USEF convention to go thru with this, if we get 30% of members or 20% of GMO's to go against this, then we can have the rule reversed. I'm going by the way the rule states on the USEF website.

    I am fairly certain of my facts if not, just want all to know, I am not above being corrected.
    Hi, Piaffegirl. I got your phone message, by the way, and keep meaning to call you back, but I thought I would just respond here. I have attended the last 3 USDF conventions and VAGUELY recall mention of a potential future qualifying system. I never gave it another thought until I heard it presented by the Dressage Committee at this last convention. As soon as I got back from Florida, I alerted all of the Region 1 GMO presidents (since I am a Region 1 Delegate and a GMO Council representative) as well as published the proposal in our NCDCTA newsletter. I think they have heard the outcry and have shown that they are "listening".

    I can't wait to see what they decide.

    Jennifer Mitchell
    President, NCDCTA
    Last edited by JennNC; Jan. 10, 2008 at 05:12 PM. Reason: punctuation



  10. #10
    Join Date
    Sep. 11, 2006
    Posts
    31

    Default Dressage Daily link

    Thanks for posting that. I have been asked who exactly votes on this, as I knew that the USEF meeting was not a BOG like USDF. Now I know.



  11. #11
    Join Date
    Oct. 10, 2005
    Location
    in the saddle
    Posts
    4,149

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by piaffegirl View Post
    I feel like I have been under a rock
    Me too, I discover from COTH forum that my own GMO, that I've been a member for years and avid volunteer sent a letter of opposition to the USEF... Nothing on the CDS website: http://www.california-dressage.org/?... Does USEF "covert" proposal requires a "covert" letter of opposition?..

    Any CDS members saw the CDS opposition letter?

    Now, that said, look at the CDS Championships AA qualifying scores:
    5 scores from 4 judges of 62% or better
    Those are not easier than what USEF proposes.



  12. #12
    Join Date
    Nov. 23, 1999
    Location
    South Coast Plaza
    Posts
    20,480

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Dressage Art View Post
    Me too, I discover from COTH forum that my own GMO, that I've been a member for years and avid volunteer sent a letter of opposition to the USEF... CDS did NOT inform its members of this letter... Nothing on the CDS website: http://www.california-dressage.org/?... Does USEF "covert" proposal requires a "covert" letter of opposition?..

    Any CDS members saw the CDS opposition letter?

    Now, that said, look at the CDS Championships AA qualifying scores:
    5 scores from 4 judges of 62% or better
    Those are not easier than what USEF proposes.
    CDS sent out an email about the proposed rule change to members. I can't remember the exact details.
    EDDIE WOULD GO



  13. #13
    Join Date
    Oct. 10, 2005
    Location
    in the saddle
    Posts
    4,149

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Coreene View Post
    CDS sent out an email about the proposed rule change to members. I can't remember the exact details.
    Yes, I actually posted that email on COTH. CDS sent out the USEF proposal in an email, but CDS didn't state their support or opposition in that email or state that CDS will sent a letter of opposition to the USEF. How does CDS executive board know how the majority of the CDS members feel about the USEF proposal?

    I'm still very interested in: "Does USEF "covert" proposal requires a "covert" CDS letter of opposition?.."



  14. #14
    Join Date
    Oct. 16, 2002
    Posts
    1,289

    Thumbs up PVDA's Letter to the USEF BoD

    This is on the PVDA's website. Well Done!

    http://www.pvda.org/Documents/Letter...e%20Change.pdf



  15. #15
    Join Date
    May. 11, 2000
    Location
    haymarket, VA USA
    Posts
    1,821

    Default

    Marne:

    Great letter, by far, the best, most logical, well founded letter yet!

    Laura



  16. #16
    Join Date
    Aug. 30, 2007
    Location
    Bradenton,FL
    Posts
    353

    Default pvda letter to DOC

    Quote Originally Posted by claire View Post
    This is on the PVDA's website. Well Done!

    http://www.pvda.org/Documents/Letter...e%20Change.pdf
    EXCELLENT! well stated.
    Lori
    Fly Teddy Fly!
    Connemara's Rock!
    RIP Reilly Go Bragh



  17. #17
    Join Date
    Aug. 30, 2007
    Location
    Bradenton,FL
    Posts
    353

    Default TOTAL AGREEMENT

    Quote Originally Posted by ltw View Post
    Marne:

    Great letter, by far, the best, most logical, well founded letter yet!

    Laura
    DITTO.........
    Lori
    Fly Teddy Fly!
    Connemara's Rock!
    RIP Reilly Go Bragh



  18. #18
    Join Date
    Feb. 24, 2007
    Location
    At the barn
    Posts
    440

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Dressage Art View Post
    Me too, I discover from COTH forum that my own GMO, that I've been a member for years and avid volunteer sent a letter of opposition to the USEF... Nothing on the CDS website: http://www.california-dressage.org/?... Does USEF "covert" proposal requires a "covert" letter of opposition?..

    Any CDS members saw the CDS opposition letter?

    Now, that said, look at the CDS Championships AA qualifying scores:
    5 scores from 4 judges of 62% or better
    Those are not easier than what USEF proposes.
    CDS was very vocal to its members in stating its position and asking the membership to speak out if they too opposed the rule change. I remember getting an email sent and forwarded by several people, chapter chairs etc, that was rallying for members to make their voices heard.

    I'm Foothills Chapter and it was widely discussed at our Dec. meeting/x-mas party with out chapter reps. sharing details of the conversations with Connie and others re; the proposal and its affect on USDF and CDS.

    As for the CDS AA qualifying standards in relation to the USEF proposal, its interesting to note that CDS has felt the need to create a second standard to qualify for a separate smaller regional championship within the state. They have obviously felt (and I agree based on my area and clientele) that there is a large untapped market of AA riders who find meeting the 5 scores from 4 judges (meaning lots of shows) @ 62% or better too much of a challenge given their finances, time, and resources. That same demographic will be the most affected by the proposed qualifying standards through USEF.



Similar Threads

  1. No more B/C shows? Rule change proposal
    By MyGiantPony in forum Hunter/Jumper
    Replies: 222
    Last Post: Dec. 3, 2009, 01:18 AM
  2. USEF Rule Change Proposal - Green Hunter
    By PineTreeFarm in forum Sport Horse Breeding
    Replies: 35
    Last Post: Dec. 1, 2009, 07:34 PM
  3. Replies: 15
    Last Post: Sep. 13, 2008, 11:41 AM
  4. Rule change proposal: Fall on XC=E
    By 3Day-Eventer in forum Eventing
    Replies: 170
    Last Post: Jun. 13, 2008, 08:51 PM
  5. new proposal to rule 275-07
    By piaffegirl in forum Dressage
    Replies: 37
    Last Post: Jan. 9, 2008, 07:27 PM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •