[egontoast]

still jingling!

[ESG]

What a crock. The man should be ashamed of himself. I don't blame y'all for being upset. I certainly would be.

[fiona]

Hey, Eggster

is that money you're jungling? that's just not funny.

[egontoast]

Yes, I'm jungling the coins in my pocket that are there because I didn't spend them on the latest in a series of ODG vanity newsletters!

[Ambrey]

I bet what happened is that the money collected went to the company providing the website, who then flaked out.

[slc2]

i'm not arguing that they should be upset, of course they should be upset. i'm just saying, there's a note on the website that he's trying to straighten things out.

my guess is that whoever messed this all up didn't keep records of who sent in money, i think it's going to be very difficult to straighten it out. horse people don't usually take care of this sort of thing, they hire someone to do it all and that person probably messed it up.

[fiona]

Yo eggy!
you got receipts for all those coins?

[egontoast]

i'm not arguing that they should be upset, of course they should be upset. i'm just saying, there's a note on the website that he's trying to straighten things out.

I'd love to see how this would play out if it were not a classical darling doing the stiffing.

REFUND THE MONEY, HONEY, nevermind the extra year. Too late.

[slc2]

i'm afraid you have confused me with someone who has some special love for kottas, i don't. he's no classical darling of mine, in fact, the concept of 'classical darling' is something i have gotten ripped up and down for NOT having, for not adoring every olivera and other celebrity 'classicist'. the spanish riding school was for years a very isolated place from which i often was told people came out very little equipped to run a business or deal with a less than perfect world. though that's changed alot and most of the riders now have training businesses all along, i don't feel having gone to the spanish riding school at any time makes anyone a perfect person, dressage teacher or trainer. it's a riding school, not a magical brain implant.

[Jmc]

As far as I'm concerned Arthur Kottas owes me 120 bucks! And I am an ODG hugger.

[Moll]

As far as I'm concerned Arthur Kottas owes me 120 bucks! And I am an ODG hugger

Give him a long enough and hard enough hug, and he'll become one too

[Ambrey]

I'd love to see how this would play out if it were not a classical darling doing the stiffing.

Well, that goes to show you that the reputation you build does matter. I think if it was anyone less respected, (*cough* parelli *cough*) people would be screaming bloody murder.

But this is his first offense (as far as I know), so people are giving him the benefit of the doubt.

[Ambrey]

it's a riding school, not a magical brain implant.

Oh, didn't you get that memo? About the brain implants?

[Jmc]

Give him a long enough and hard enough hug, and he'll become one too

I hear ya.


Maybe while I'm hugging I could pick his pocket and get my money back...PLUS interest!

[Lambie Boat]

maybe he's got a gambling problem?

maybe drug or alcohol addiction?

maybe paying back child support for a luv child?

maybe he needed the money to buy a nice horse?

oh, the possibilities are endless

[Moll]

Maybe he'll get some more money from Feisomeday for slander?

No, seriously: I doubt he has the technical knowledge to get the site up and running himself. About the money: you who joined, where did you send the money? That's who you should go after.

[cinder88]

Just checking here to be sure I've got it straight.

If I promise a service or product and don't deliver, but tell all my subscribers/buyers (Who have already paid for that service/product), that I REALLY, REALLY plan to deliver, eventually...then how long do I have before I have to change my name...er...actually deliver something?

If I had paid for this mess, I wouldn't care who/what/when or why....I'd just want my money back.

If my name was attached to this debacle, you'd better be sure that every last subscriber who trusted me would get a personal e-mail explaining the problem, what I was going to do about and a time frame in which to do it.

I had a supplier take my money once and NOT deliver goods I needed to complete a customer's order. Did I say.."Gee, I got ripped off! It's the trickle down effect! You'll have to wait for your order!" ?

No, I went out, took the loss and filled MY customer's order and kept my good reputation. That's how it works.

I wonder how DT will feel when the -mails flow in? Or maybe a Letter to the Editor is in order with numerous signatures attached. Would never get printed, but might make an impact.

Cinder

[cttwdfm]

Does anyone know how to contact THE MAN himself? It's kind of crazy dealing in a vacuum. He has the money, we have nothing and no way of contacting him. I wrote a letter to DT - of course they didn't reply. If I were the editor, I would stay away from a "world class trainer" who does this kind of fraud. I can't even stand to read his articles. I will probably not renew my DT subscription just because of this.

[cttwdfm]

Of course we who paid ALL have proof of payment because you had to pay by Credit Card. We should start a class action against him. It seems to be the only way. A lawyer could find him.

[fiona]

Does anyone know how to contact THE MAN himself? It's kind of crazy dealing in a vacuum.

google? phone book?