No, in fact, we don't do ANYTHING to get the horse in that position. Nothing.
No ying-yangin', jerkin' the reins, 'bumping him on the mouth with the bit', 'spongeing the reins', pulling on the outside and yankin' on the inside rein, Nuthin.
THANK YOU. May I print this out and hang it up at my barn? I once caught my daughter see-sawing on her pony. I screeched "STOP RIGHT THIS MINUTE" and asked why she was doing that as I know she had never seen me do that, nor had she been taught this by her trainer. She replied "I heard (insert the other trainer at our barn's name here) tell her student that is how you get your horse on the bit". Scary.
Lets not go there. I still have nightmares over SLC's menopausal post.
Originally Posted by slc2
mysogynist? hardly. i'm a 'menopauser' too, and i can tell you, that every single person experiences it differently - just because one person had an easy time of it, doesn't mean everyone else does. some people have no problems, some people have slight problems. some people have problems that respond to herbs, others to medication - some have serious problems that respond to NOTHING, or they can't take the medications avaliable for various reasons. if one does sweat alot as a result of menopause, however, body odor can be a problem.
not everyone can afford medication to ease their way thru it. there's a gal at my office who goes home to shower at lunch - not all the deodorant, bathing in the world helps. she sweats very hard and a fan, light clothes and nothing else will stop it.
i know another gal having a very tough time with menopause - she does much the same - she has money, but she can't take any medications to ease her way thru menopause because she is a cancer survivor, and the doctor fears taking the medication for menopause would increase her risk of a cancer relapse.
the other possibility is that this woman yu can 'Stinky' has a difficult job that involves physical work - and she may not have time to freshen up before coming to the boarding barn. you may not have ever had a job that involves physical work, or been on a difficult schedule.
and, yes, actually, mouth odor can have dozens of sources - indigestion, ulcers, or a zillion other conditions the person can do little about. and yes, tooth loss can be something that has nothing to do with the person's own efforts to keep them.
congrats, nezzy, i've never met anyone as stubborn and nasty as you. despite hearing many opinions on this matter you refuse to listen to any other idea other than your own or take even one SECOND to consider the woman may not be your personal business to judge and cut down and look down your nose at.
some day you will learn, that it's not your bonded responsibility to decide who in the world has value, and who does not.
I have read thru a good bit of this and here are my "observations". "Broke in the face" is a term that many stock type people use to mean "soft". A very good friend of mine, who is also a clinet (her daughter rides with me) has had top reining horses and that is exactly what they say to mean a horse that is soft and gives to rein pressure. They WANT the horse to be light to the aids. Now some of the trainers do it very very well, and some use some pretty awful techniques which I ahve witnessed with my own eyes. But to label them ALL as awful trainers jsut is ignorant. Stock horse people have their own "terminoglogy" just the same as dressage people do. It doesn't necessarily MEAN anything. I am not going to comment on the OP's trechniques as I cannot tell from her posts exactly what she is or si nto doing and really don't want to go there. I just want to say what I have seen and I ahve learned a LOT from good stock hrose trainers over the years.
Soy milk is eveil,whereas maple syrup can be used with just about everything.
Ha! Clearly you haven't hit menopause yet...
Soy milk is evil and gives you gas, which may be part of the "Stinky" post, but that was maybe more info than I needed, so I didn't read closely. Rice milk, my perimenopausal, lactose intolerant, diverticulosis and colitis inclined friends, is the ONLY way to go. It works well with the rice bran, and of course we don't do real sugar, but honey, maple syrup or whichever of the sugar substitutes is least likely to give you cancer.