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  1. #41
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    It's fixed now.

    Earlier, everyone was in the 40s even though they had the scores from both of the judges. Something wasn't calculating right.



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    I zipped down to Katy this morning to give my mare a pat.

    Great shopping! I saw lots of friends and was THRILLED with my girl's wonderful results (esp. considering it was only her THIRD show)!

    I must say though, Georgetown to Katy and back in one day nearly killed me. I must be getting old, LOL.



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    As far as the whip issue. All last year at many of the shows they reminded everyone of the new rules regarding whip lengths. I also know personally that the fringe on the end of the whip unravels and you must measure them periodiclly and cut off the excess. It is very easy to go to the rings and measure your whip against the standard. If you can't do it have someone do it for you before you enter. I usually do this first thing so I don't have any surprises.

    Who was it that went to the WEG a few years back and he entered the ring with his whip and was eliminated? The rules are the rules and overjealous or not too long is just plain too long.



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    the unraveling thing does happen, which is why i keep electrical tape in my trailer and use it around the cut ends of the lash.
    I also know that when I am in my boots, the bottom of my bra strap is 43 inches from the ground, so I constantly check my whips' lenght and stop taking questionable whips to shows.

    it would be nice tho, if they could measure and check bits before you ride instead of after... can always drop the whip if it is too long before the ride.



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    The rules ARE the rules. You can request a whip to be measured at any time and the TDs are carrying tapes. A friend trimmed her whip today just before going down to the arena AND had it measured. Also, the TDs have been asked to check bits beforehand as well. Shoot, I would either know or ask if any qualms.



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    Yes, the rules are the rules, and I have no problem with that. But, the rules have to be enforced accurately. I'm surprised that no one seems to realize that legal length is not 43", but 43.3", or 110 cm. That .3" translates to about 5/16" or 6/16" - or just shy of a half inch, which is what more than one competitor was "over".

    As you say, rules are rules.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mariequi View Post
    The rules ARE the rules. You can request a whip to be measured at any time and the TDs are carrying tapes. A friend trimmed her whip today just before going down to the arena AND had it measured. Also, the TDs have been asked to check bits beforehand as well. Shoot, I would either know or ask if any qualms.

    But the rules say bits can only be checked AFTER the ride. (DR121.8 and DR126.10)

    This is because sticking someone's hand in a horse's mouth to check the bit before he goes in can really irritate the horse and screw up your ride.

    Sounds like if someone wanted to spend a few bucks, they can protest the HELL out of this show!



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    I am watching with great interest.
    In loving memory of Laura Jahnke.
    A life lived by example, done too soon.
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    I must've read through this hurriedly. I guess I missed where that .3 wasn't included - 110 cm was the length confirmed in both measuring areas. Bits? Not yet in the horse's mouth when inquiring of TD.



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    It is very easy to go to the rings and measure your whip against the standard. If you can't do it have someone do it for you before you enter. I usually do this first thing so I don't have any surprises.
    and beware that the rule is you can be eliminated for being mounted on the grounds with a whip that is too long....not just once you have ridden the test. So, if you ride up and ask the steward to check your whip you could be eliminated before you even enter the arena.
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    "Sounds like if someone wanted to spend a few bucks, they can protest the HELL out of this show!"

    Explain please.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Mariequi View Post
    I must've read through this hurriedly. I guess I missed where that .3 wasn't included - 110 cm was the length confirmed in both measuring areas. Bits? Not yet in the horse's mouth when inquiring of TD.
    Thank you for clarifying that. The person who was eliminated was under the impression that they went by inches, not cm. And she was in a position to know.
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    I'd be glad to address any issues today before I leave. But I'll be online about another 5 minutes. Thanks!



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    Quote Originally Posted by Mariequi View Post
    "Sounds like if someone wanted to spend a few bucks, they can protest the HELL out of this show!"

    Explain please.
    Well, it sounds like things are not being done by the rules. If they are eliminating for whips over 43 inches instead of 43.3 inches, making someone ride before their published time, or checking bits before the ride (it was not explained til later that the bits weren't in the horse's mouth), then something is wrong.

    If someone got mad enough, 200 bucks for a protest would be a piece of cake.



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    And bummer, they are not putting results online today like they have been doing the last three days!



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    For the record, I don't know about the rest of the show, but I was one of the riders eliminated on friday for a whip that was less than 1/2" too long. I waited for the TD to show up and watched her measure my whip MYSELF and she measured at 43". My whip was approximately 43.5" and yes it is the exact same whip I have been showing with and measured the entire year. I had them cut the whip on the spot so I could use it later in the day but then later found out the rule is 43.3". I did not know at the time that 43.3" was the rule (my fault for not sitting home reading every nuance of the rule book and riding instead) but there were some things like that that were out of hand at this show that I have not experienced at ANY other rec. show the entire year. Hey at least this crap happened on my first ride.

    Since I had them cut my whip, I didn't feel like I had any options regarding protest but you can be SURE I will be filling out an evaluation on the show which was an otherwise (except for the TD) stellar production!

    Before my NEXT class, I went back to the ring (a full 30 min before my ride time) to have the whip measured again just in case, I was told by the equip checkers that if it measured over they would have to elim. me before the class.....can you say WTF!!!!!!!!! This is what they were instructed to do. I informed them that I'd already been through that once that morning and wanted it measured to be sure they cut it correctly. Some people get on a power trip......

    All in all, it was a very well organized show and really catered to the competitors. The weather was beautiful the whole time and I met a lot of nice people that I hadn't really gotten to meet all year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mariequi View Post
    The TDs have made the same comments! Very odd! They came and remeasured the measuring area, comparing inside to outside because someone said it differed, but it didn't. I think I'd be checking ahead of time. SGray, are you here?
    late to the party

    didn't get out their Saturday due to having a very bad day picking up some round bales (a little hint, double or triple check that you are going to clear the gate with the 18' trailer BEFORE accelerating forward to make it through the soft spot)

    was at show on Sunday but only to visit with folks

    heard about the 'frayed' whip eliminations -- and I think that it is the silliest goofiest most godawful unreasonable rule enforcement imaginable

    geez people -- why worry about the length of the whip, especially down to the cm -- I only ever worried about how the rider used the whip -- and probably 80% of the riders never use it at all in the competition arena

    the idea of stopping a rider after their championship class in which the rider never twitched the whip, measuring, finding the whip less than an inch too long and eliminating them -- that is nonsense, pure and simple -- judge these people on how they rode, not how much their lash has frayed
    Nothing says "I love you" like a tractor. (Clydejumper)

    The reports states, “Elizabeth reported that she accidently put down this pony, ........, at the show.”



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    Quote Originally Posted by Xerintha View Post
    Or what about a friend who was eliminated for entering the ring late, even though she was actually 2 minutes early. Everyone's watch and phone said so. Even the TD and show officials argued with the judge. Nope..still eliminated for being late. *sigh*

    if a rider was on time or early according to "Official Show Time" then the judge should have been overruled and if the judge would not score the ride the the TD and/or show manager should have filed a charge and the competitor should have filed a protest

    if the TD did not have the fortitude to stand up to a judge under those circumstances that is not a good TD and should not be asked back - especially to a championship show

    would I have filed given those circumstances, you betcha -- did I ever file against a judge, well, no, I didn't have to because the judge backed down when I stood up to her (in that case judge wanted to eliminate for not walking out of the arena on a loose rein after final salute -- never ceases to amaze me, the bs some will try -- judges need to get over the feeling that they should be trying to punish the competitors)
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    Nothing says "I love you" like a tractor. (Clydejumper)

    The reports states, “Elizabeth reported that she accidently put down this pony, ........, at the show.”



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    people people people -- haven't we bemoaned the lack of participation, attention, popularity,...of dressage here enough times to realize that competitors should be encouraged, not beaten up on?!?!?


    a judge is there to tell you whether you have attained the goals in each given test/level and perhaps to point out what you might concentrate on correcting and what areas you are succeeding in --- to point your way to the goals of that level and beyond --- it is not a judge's task to berate but to encourage

    a TD is there to assist - to assist the show management in seeing that things are run well and according to the rules

    to assist the judges with violations they might see or suspect

    to assist the competitors in learning and/or interpreting the rules

    to represent the USEF in upholding the rules in order that a fair and safe competition is enjoyed by all

    the TD should not be trying to play 'Gotcha' to anyone

    - - the above is not in relation to the show on this thread as I have no direct knowledge on that competition but to shows in general - -
    Nothing says "I love you" like a tractor. (Clydejumper)

    The reports states, “Elizabeth reported that she accidently put down this pony, ........, at the show.”



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    and whether or not you were directly affected by any problems, if you have knowledge of any and have an opinion about judges/TDs/management/general conduct of the show they you really must express your misgivings to your GMO, to HDS and to Region 9 ( unless of course you'd be perfectly content with seeing the same things occur year after year)
    Nothing says "I love you" like a tractor. (Clydejumper)

    The reports states, “Elizabeth reported that she accidently put down this pony, ........, at the show.”



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