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How often are Lipizanners flea-bitten?

I thought Muriel was the rider's name. :o :lol: I missed the caption at the beginning.

It's funny but like any breed you can find really talented individuals. I know her dad went to GP and...

Very, very impressive. He shows a lot of push and carry behind and his poll is high -- YAY -- I'm so tired of seeing horses BTV.

OK that one -- probably a gelding though -- I would use in a...

I know, broken record -- make sure he's not hurting anywhere. Quick and easy way to tell is have someone knowledgable check accupuncture points. It doesn't tell you everything but it'll let you know...

When the distance from the distal end of the toe (secondary breakover fulcrum) exceeds the distance from the COA to the origin of horn growth at the heel butress, the toe is to long. When it is less...

Agreed. So if the heel lands first, WHY are you measuring the toe to figure out where the heel should be?

Because, the toe acts as a secondary fulcrum, as you said yourself.

You're making this...

Whether the toe is 6" long or 2" long, the center of the coffin joint ain't moving relative to the rest of the foot

No, but you're not measuring tension on ligaments in the foot or the legs.

No, but the BREAKOVER phase of the stride is determined by heel lift, not toe length. Distance from COA to back end of heel.

The horse is affected by toe length in every phase of the stride.

The tip of p3 is not a mechanical center. It is the end of a secondary fulcrum. It ain't even a pivot point, unless you trim the hoof so short the p3 is on the ground . . .

I'm not talking about...

Brought back in relation to WHAT?

I believe this has been covered already. In an average horse, less than 15 mm.

Class you'll see I put the question back up. I took it down because the question has probably been asked a thousand times here. When I saw that 2 people had answered I put the question back up. No...

AR is right. Also simply could be the horse is crooked.

I was introduced to dressage through eventing. How about you?

A lot of TBs don't make the best dressage mounts; they really like to run and jump. But it all depends on the individual. You will see a few TBs with a lot of suspension and ability to collect, and...

Lipizzaners don't look drafty AT ALL -- they are built completely differently from a draft. OP we are in complete agreement on this.

Pardon me for debunking the flat world theory, but somebody's gotta do it.

You seem to be trying to debunk the long toe is bad theory, and nobody should do that.

The point of the study is that...

You posted one number (15mm) not a perportional reference derived from a metacenter.

Nope, I didn't. I said greater than. I believe that's an infinite number.

I don't care about you, I'm just giving my opinion.

But, as I said before, since you also use these boards as advertisement, you may want to consider your posts more carefully.

Yes, the study was done on a bunch of minis, with a Shire thrown in for good measure.

Geez Tom did you miss your medication this morning?

The data is only useless if you don't use it. Of...

I saw the classes on Sunday. Didn't she end up 2nd in the class in the final standings?

OK, I don't particularly want to have him. If you used his hind end better yes.

Geez, there are some prize-winning breeders on this forum. :dead: Nobody on this thread is whining and bitching...

Here's a definition, from a podiatrist at NCSU. If there's more than 15mm from breakover to the tip of P3, horses will often experience back and gluteal pain, indicating that the toe is too long.

Ginger I like your training philosophy. Oooo, I love the braid job on your horse. I saw a picture of one like that for the first time in a book at the tack store about a month ago -- would love it...

I only watched the first couple minutes of the video and actually thought that it was a lengthening. The horse is not showing enough carrying behind to be performing a really good medium. A really...

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