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  1. Your argument seems to be; Abortion saves...

    Your argument seems to be;

    Abortion saves people from potential poverty and crime.

    But then, by the same logic, you would have to admit they (fetus') are potential people.
  2. This is the only scenario you can envision? Why...

    This is the only scenario you can envision? Why do you go to the dark side? Boy, you have such a bleak and negative and dire view of the world.

    There are hundreds of storied of kids coming out of...
  3. I should have clarified. The reference to...

    I should have clarified.
    The reference to personal responsibility is in reference to a general state of decline in that respect. Not to imply women in general are not taking responsibility, or...
  4. That number does not indicate how many of these...

    That number does not indicate how many of these are children put in foster care as pre-teens or teen ager. They are not all unwanted babies.


    One of the main arguments here is that there are too...
  5. The meme of "pro-birth, not pro-life" is the...

    The meme of "pro-birth, not pro-life" is the latest devise for diverting any attempt to look deeper into the issue of seeing the fetus as a human life. In my opinion.
    It is a clever way of...
  6. You said, "...any MD has the right to refuse to...

    You said, "...any MD has the right to refuse to perform it.(abortion) Based upon sound medical advice. Or personal moral belief."

    "No MD can be compelled by law to perform an abortion....."

    I...
  7. AS to the comment about me being for fetal...

    AS to the comment about me being for fetal protection, I am simply viewing the life of the fetus as important as the woman, because of its potential as a living human being. I do not mean to...
  8. You hit on something interesting. So if it is...

    You hit on something interesting.
    So if it is true that the state cannot force an MD to perform an abortion if it is against his or her personal moral beliefs, then the state cannot force an...
  9. Yes you are right! All the questions I ask are...

    Yes you are right! All the questions I ask are philosophical.
    The creation of laws is a philosophical process.
    The creation of our constitution was based on a philosophical construct.
    So I...
  10. ''B]Does any being have a right to use the body...

    ''B]Does any being have a right to use the body of another being against their will?[/B]'


    The idea of will is an interesting one as it pertains to the subject. I am thinking on this.

    I...
  11. This is my whole point. It isn't black and white...

    This is my whole point. It isn't black and white at all. But many here have stating emphatically that it is. It is a woman's right, and that is the end of it.
    I am simply asking: really?
  12. Are you asking if a fetus can infringe on the...

    Are you asking if a fetus can infringe on the rights of a woman?
    That is getting out there.
    Would that really be used as a justification for an abortion?
    Your body, your choice, because a fetus...
  13. So if it is rights that should drive the law, not...

    So if it is rights that should drive the law, not science, or a belief, then what or who does decide what a right is or is not?
    It can't be simply on rights. We say that you do not have a right to...
  14. Jackie, It was a long time ago. Keep in mind...

    Jackie,
    It was a long time ago. Keep in mind this was basically a still birth, natural abortion. It was actually over 12 weeks, I can't remember exactly.It was a Catholic hospital. I am not...
  15. Okay. This shows that it is not such a black and...

    Okay. This shows that it is not such a black and white issue.
    It goes far beyond simply saying, it is just a woman's right.

    It seems to fall under the category of relative morality, or along...
  16. I find the conclusions disappointing also,...

    I find the conclusions disappointing also, distasteful, and worthy of scorn.
    But, are they not the positions of the pro abortion with no regulation, stance?
    I don't think they are inaccurate.

    I...
  17. Yes, life is miraculous. It's beautiful and...

    Yes, life is miraculous. It's beautiful and horrifying at the same time. It's a bitch, but it's miraculous. Hard not to watch storm waves crashing on the rocks of Big Sur, and not feel awe.

    Modern...
  18. Is funny. Modern medicine is referred to as a...

    Is funny. Modern medicine is referred to as a miracle.
    Yet to refer to reproduction as a miracle of life is scoffed at.
    Its just biology. No miracle there at all.

    The irreverence shown here to...
  19. Hard to let that go by without asking for an...

    Hard to let that go by without asking for an explanation of why and how and what you do.

    I was responding to the claim that the legal definition of being alive is with brain activity.

    One of...
  20. Okay so far I have learned these things from this...

    Okay so far I have learned these things from this thread.

    !. A human fetus, until it is born, is nothing more than a mass of tissue, isn't really a human life to be considered as having any...
  21. Thank you for clarifying your position. I...

    Thank you for clarifying your position. I understand the argument. It is the basic position of pro-choice. Which is that the individual rights and choice of the woman trump any other...
  22. The more someone becomes obsessed with a problem,...

    The more someone becomes obsessed with a problem, and obsessed with convincing others of their interpretation of the problem, with no other view points considered possibly valid, the more I start to...
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    Reading this thread, it is interesting to me that...

    Reading this thread, it is interesting to me that for the most part, the average intelligent citizens often have as many valid and well thought out ideas as anyone in congress, or even in the White...
  24. This would be the impenetrable fortress of I...

    This would be the impenetrable fortress of I allude to.
  25. I have heard it suggested that the larger result...

    I have heard it suggested that the larger result of the investigation is the federal intrusion into local police operations, with the end result of federal guidelines being instituted to control...
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