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    The old WP riders in those photos are riding just...

    The old WP riders in those photos are riding just as stiff as modern ones. It's still a WP look, and you'd never mistake that for anything other than a WP class.

    The head may be lower now, but...
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    Oh come on...

    Oh come on...
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    "Western Pleasure has evolved from a class to...

    "Western Pleasure has evolved from a class to showcase working horses' ability to ride comfortably an obediently on the rail to a specialized event that has been perfected over the recent years with...
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    The intro to the article announces that modern...

    The intro to the article announces that modern western pleasure has been "perfected" (obviously representing the views of their readership), yet the article seems to go into a lot of detail on how...
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    Exactly! So if WP gaits are so natural, I'd ask...

    Exactly! So if WP gaits are so natural, I'd ask people who claim so why horses don't have collar bones.
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    The only funny thing is that lead changes seem to...

    The only funny thing is that lead changes seem to be so venerated in your world that you think they're something incredible. He's very obedient, sure, but it's still not healthy to be dragging his...
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    Not only is that not western pleasure, the horse...

    Not only is that not western pleasure, the horse is moving so lethargically he's practically digging a trench in the arena as he moves (look at how much dirt his toes are kicking up).

    And Bluey,...
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    Let me tell you a story. Some of us are aware...

    Let me tell you a story.

    Some of us are aware of the basic biomechanics of equine movement, yet we still reject WP as being damaging and pathological. Not because we're ignorant, but because the...
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    I'be ridden with Buck and wouldn't do so again....

    I'be ridden with Buck and wouldn't do so again. We're the last stop on his yearly loop, and he seemed burned out on H1; the constant stream of negative comments was draining. The comment and quips...
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    Snort, go right ahead. BELIEVE me when I say it...

    Snort, go right ahead. BELIEVE me when I say it won't affect my opinion of you.
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    WP doesn't get criticized because "it's hard",...

    WP doesn't get criticized because "it's hard", nor because "it's not our style". Otherwise it would be just one of many different disciplines that has its fans and detractors.

    It gets criticized...
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    ...because this is NOT what is winning in the...

    ...because this is NOT what is winning in the ring. I didn't read the article, but the photos were the least offensive that I've seen posted here on the subject.
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    Due to the wonders of selective breeding, I don't...

    Due to the wonders of selective breeding, I don't think there's anyone who would suggest that there aren't horses that will "naturally" move the way that's currently winning at high levels in the...
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    Worthy. It's the default response used for "you...

    Worthy. It's the default response used for "you just don't get it". WP people often say that people who have problems with WP but don't ride it aren't qualified to criticize...as if somehow WP horses...
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    On the cheap end of saddles, when you're talking...

    On the cheap end of saddles, when you're talking about a "fibreglass tree" it can mean a few things.

    It could be a hollow fibreglass structure with little hard points of wood inside for screws....
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    When I transitioned from english to western way...

    When I transitioned from english to western way back when, I ordered a trail saddle with no horn because I wanted a simpler look. They sent me the wrong saddle (essentially the same thing, but WITH a...
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    How are you defining leverage?

    How are you defining leverage?
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    Using the bosal with a primarily lifting action...

    Using the bosal with a primarily lifting action doesn't require the hands to be held out from the body, which was another point being questioned.

    What that mainly does is to bring tension into...
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    Are you intentionally shaping them so they hang...

    Are you intentionally shaping them so they hang with the heel knot hang like this? http://www.evaha.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Khai-Reg-7-20070430.jpg

    I've never seen a bosal with much of a...
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    One of my pet peeves with the horse world is that...

    One of my pet peeves with the horse world is that people do things without having much in the way of reasons for why they do them. These forums are full of "try this" sort of postings that peter out...
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    Lol, get over yourself friend. I don't expect...

    Lol, get over yourself friend. I don't expect anyone to take anything, and if anyone wants me to back up my opinions, which are all they are, I'm happy to do so. they can then feel free to ignore...
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    Bluey, please stop acting so saintly. Given your...

    Bluey, please stop acting so saintly. Given your reponses on other threads, it's funny you think you somehow have the moral high ground.

    There are those of us who will call a spade a spade. Nobody...
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    VERY soft bosal that's WAY too long by most...

    VERY soft bosal that's WAY too long by most standards and has a ridiculous number of wraps for any notion of balance. Probably just used to emphasize the fact that it isn't being used, since any...
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    There's nothing about the mechanics of how a...

    There's nothing about the mechanics of how a bosal works that benefits from eother high or wide, however. Of course, most people are using those rediculous limp things and calling them bosals, so to...
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    Agreed. Some big shot won once doing this, most...

    Agreed. Some big shot won once doing this, most likely, and everyone else just started to parrot the look since that was OBVIOUSLY why they won.

    Big wide reins scream "unschooled baby horse" to me...
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