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    http://thisishorseracing.com/news/index.php/this-i...

    http://thisishorseracing.com/news/index.php/this-is-horse-racing/1682-md-hunt-cup-timber-classic-takes-practice
    http://usercontent1.hubimg.com/5728422_f520.jpg...
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    Because earlier we discussed national hunt racing...

    Because earlier we discussed national hunt racing I have taken an other look at that.
    Bobs Worth: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3q6tWuMokk...
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    http://www.horsemagazine.com/thm/2015/04/world-cup...

    http://www.horsemagazine.com/thm/2015/04/world-cup-jumping-of-blood-books-and-daily-standings/
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    Thank you Cumano for sharing your views with us! ...

    Thank you Cumano for sharing your views with us!
    It is always interesting to learn about the views of others, like also in that article from the horse magazine website.
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    It is sometimes difficult to tell other people...

    It is sometimes difficult to tell other people your thoughts when you have so many experiences, thoughts and intuition at play.
    About a year ago I spoke with one of the two breeding advisors of a...
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    Well, I am wondering how the change in the...

    Well, I am wondering how the change in the courses changed the breeding. Certain families / lines should be declining and certain bloodlines should be getting more to the foreground.
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    But how can you know for certain that show...

    But how can you know for certain that show jumpers (the best or maybe on average) have been improving and are improving at the moment, keeping also in mind that the courses changed not too long ago? ...
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    Yes, that is what I meant. Where did the jump...

    Yes, that is what I meant. Where did the jump come from, it did not all of a sudden come falling from the sky. And if the TB is only good for making horses lighter and giving them more temperament...
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    Here it says that the Holsteiner got it's jumping...

    Here it says that the Holsteiner got it's jumping ability from crosses with Cleveland Bays and Thoroughbreds during the 19th century. Is/was the Cleveland Bay an exceptional jumper?
    ...
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    Yes, Cumano you may be right that there is also...

    Yes, Cumano you may be right that there is also the language barrier at play.
    May I put it in another way?
    What do you think are the really "non TB related" traits in Cornet d'Amour and which are...
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    Nobody will pick on that??!! As soon as you...

    Nobody will pick on that??!!
    As soon as you mention the use of a TB everybody jumps at your throat. Where do you think those second generation horses are coming from?!
    When I mentioned Quickly de...
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    http://www.horseshowjumping.tv/files/September_Jum...

    http://www.horseshowjumping.tv/files/September_Jumping_horse_final.pdf
    Number 1084
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    Where did I say that I do not know what a TB...

    Where did I say that I do not know what a TB brings to the table for eventing?
    I only asked what you did to find out why they cannot make good show jumpers.
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    And that keur stallion jumped 1.60 m. in his...

    And that keur stallion jumped 1.60 m. in his younger years, I forgot to tell.
    The trainer lives in the same village where these people are located:
    https://nl-nl.facebook.com/kidemolenheide
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    Well, the Dutch trainer who is going to train my...

    Well, the Dutch trainer who is going to train my TB is a serious breeder of show jumping horses. He also stands a keur stallion that has quite a share of TB in his pedigree. And he is very...
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    Hi Terri, So you are saying that the horses...

    Hi Terri,

    So you are saying that the horses you bred do not have it in them to become show jumpers? Have they been thoroughly tested by good riders to find out if they do or do not have it in...
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    I am talking about Quickly de Kreisker here, one...

    I am talking about Quickly de Kreisker here, one of the hottest show jumping horses and stallions at the moment...
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    Actually it is no exception because it has been...

    Actually it is no exception because it has been proven over and over again that horses with Ultimate xx, Fra Diavolo xx, Laudanum xx, Orange Peel xx, Phalaris xx, Massine xx, Tantieme xx, Nearco xx,...
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    Don't you find it extraordinary that there are so...

    Don't you find it extraordinary that there are so many "isolated" examples of horses to be given that have lots of TB blood, a TB dam (line) and / or a TB sire (line)?
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    Stoicfish what would have happened if the breeder...

    Stoicfish what would have happened if the breeder of this mare would have thought the same in 1988? http://www.horsetelex.com/horses/pedigree/117096 That breeder could have thought it was no use...
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    Danzig, Mr. Prospector, Northern Dancer?!...

    Danzig, Mr. Prospector, Northern Dancer?! http://www.pedigreequery.com/royal+diamond10
    Champion stayer in Europe:
    http://www.pedigreequery.com/rite+of+passage
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    There are still those gallant Thoroughbreds...

    There are still those gallant Thoroughbreds racing in races like these ones:
    IGN = Irish Grand National
    GN = Grand National
    GSP = Grand Steeplechase de Paris
    AGN = American Grand National
    CGC =...
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    http://www.haras-national-du-pin.com/le-haras-nati...

    http://www.haras-national-du-pin.com/le-haras-national-du-pin-se-devoile/chevaux/des-races-et-des-chevaux.html
    La race
    Origine : le Selle Français est issu de croisements dès le 19e siècle entre...
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    Ancestors of...

    Ancestors of Gaminehttp://www.horsetelex.com/horses/pedigree/17960 XX/OX rate: 31,25%

    JUS D'ORANGE XX (JUS DORANGE XX)
    xx
    stallion 1912 chestnut

    RIRETTE XX
    xx

    KARIKAL
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    These are the non TB ancestors of Quickly de...

    These are the non TB ancestors of Quickly de Kreisker http://www.horsetelex.com/horses/pedigree/520995 in his 5th generation:
    AMOUR DU BOIS
    SF 1966...
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