Thank you..what brought about the sudden change
The rara's ignore tests and science re banning of bute and other chemicals and say we should jus accept the ban..no science required...
Oh the irony.
I'll bite then Sannois, if we can't change anything, why do you continue to post?
Not going into characterizing the sides, but one works with things as they are, the other is demanding the impossible.
There is always the chance somebody else has not heard the two sides of the issue.
Can't leave the floor to the screamers and exaggerators.
Getting knocked through the fence a few times is not good for your well being. :no:
I give you cliff notes:
Slaughter ain't pretty. Because it's killing stuff.
It can't be 100%, because we are dealing with humans and animals.
Some humans are bad.
Enter pro ban:
Ban everything, consequences be damned.
Although nothing including humans can ever be 100%, they happily claim abuse rates are 100%. Even if it defies logic.
Their ideas have profound impact on the industry, not just the area they are looking at.
You tell them that, you are <insert term of choice>
The Pro slaughter/anti ban stance affects them not one bit on the other hand.
There is not a one person radical pro slaughter to demand they go out and shoot and butcher their little Dobbins.
Pro ban/anti slaughter do have rather high handed expectations as to what a person is to do with their horse. (but Lord have mercy on you, should you ask if they actually have the funds themselves to do as they preach!)
Some are in blatant disregard to local laws or in the face of practicality.
As far as proving the videos are true...as a result of the video from Great Britain two slaughtermen lost their license. As a result of the TWH video (which, according to the NY Times was given to law enforcement before they went public with it), federal prosecution.
The USDA temporarily closed Central Valley Meat due to undercover videos.
Here's another at a poultry farm. http://blogs.citypages.com/food/2011...use_photos.php
There's more....of course. So, at least in the above cases (which were all that I checked) they seem to be true, and verified.
Socialism? We could only hope. We are headed for fascism and oligarchy. It's already under way while we continue to sleep.
Meanwhile I want to stop the idiots that foolishly believe that they too can be unregulated psychopath's, all in the name of making a buck. That measly buck won't help them anyway when the shit hits the fan.:dead:
Pfttt...That's not going to last. They're cutting while I'm typing. Those folks who rely on government, are then going to come after my middle class "stuff" loaded with weaponry to gills. While the rich, who paid for our government, are ROFL(T)AO sailing their Yachts to the Caymans. Hell it's going on now, been going on longer than you think.
ETA All the while our poor/middle class kids are going to war to protect their special interests.
When is the last time YOU bought a Senate vote?
Meanwhile we are such idiots we are arguing about horse slaughter, gun rights, and wolf hunting.
Ack! I apologize. Everything is wonderful our future is bright. There is no climate change, the rich aren't controlling our country and fracking is awesome! Yay! Oops forgot...lets slaughter horses once again using an old cattle facility, that sucked 7 years ago. YAY!
I notice several posts "train wrecks" and these words are usually inserted about the time a group of you complain to the moderator that your feelins, emotions or what ever are under seize and you want the "topic" closed.
The HSUS TWH video went to law enforcement when it was given to them by the researchers for Diane Sawyer. ONE YEAR AFTER.
It was released to work with their big fund raiser.
Any videos resulting in closed U.S.A. plants had to be seven years or older.
When there is abuse it should be dealt with. However not by destroying the whole industry as you and your group are prone to do.
Hey? What happened to the posts I was responding to? Oh sure now you're trying to make me look insane, I get it....:lol:
It was then...all about dictating YOUR will on others...banning those from a legal activity. Interesting..Pro slaughter don't ask that your groups and all Vegans be banned for trumped up chemical infusions and opinions, rather than facts.
Where everything is done by a Presidential Order rather than through process by those elected (right or wrong) to represent the "common folk"..then a feeling of entitlement emerges..and that is when groups such as HSUS and PeTA and defence leagues for animals come into play.
Those elected? The people don't even understand who/what/how they are electing. "Those elected" are the very rich, were either lobbyists before or become lobbyists after. History, IS repeating itself, is going exponential right after the stock market bubble bursts. Human's must really suck at learning from mistakes.
Just like the horse slaughter facility in NM. See how that works.
Yea whatever like your "reasoning" is so great.
I thought TG's % was higher than 95 - my point being that whatever the animal we should be trying our best to be totally perfect. Yes I do actually realize that's impossible but it should be a goal nonetheless.
Honestly?? I haven't heard myself really screaming about anything.....You?? Yep I hear you screaming.