She stated since she did not own a horse..her opinion ment nothing. I was in agreement..her opinion means nothing. She has no solution but sarcasm
OK this is a question I have for Sannois what the hell does whether I live in Saginaw CO have to do with my opinion?
My point, and I know that you are frusterated, is that those of us anti-slaughter people are not all animal rights extremists. For many of us, we see it as an easy alternative to euthanizing our horses, which are to me my pets. That opinion does not make me or others animal rights extremists.
I get it really I do. From what I am hearing there is already a lax attitude about drugs in whatever we are eating.
What was it Jswan said that now 80% of our animals are processed in only 4 places. That's potentially a long ride doesn't matter the species.
We have lost alot of the local processing ability, which I think is really sad.
If kept locally, I think we would have a better chance of keeping an eye on things. Making things more transparent instead of less would make things easier as well.
I think most of us know the difference between a good death and a bad one.
Yes I realize there are a lot of nutjobs out there that are going to complain no matter what.
The concern over horse processing is that the companies were foreign owned and seemed to have no interest in complying with regulations. From transport to slaughter it seems that many violations occurred and were never, at the time, fixed or fines paid. What makes it all different now??
So far I have seen nothing to convince me that it would all be better this time.
It's not the RARAs it's the government. Most of them couldn't find their *ick with tweezers and a magnifying glass and they will pass legislation without really knowing what the consequences are. This time possibly to appease a woman whose grandparents own an auction house. Is that a reason to pass a bill??
There are many that think banning slaughter is a harebrained idea, but don't care for the name calling the antis do, so don't post.
It does take guts to stand against the ban slaughter animal rights extremist drive.
You are immediately assumed to be some kind of ogre and told so in many ways.
My thoughts? Any one that is generally dismissive of humans up front I have trouble believing them when they are declaring themselves very humane toward's animals.
Their motives become suspect when they are mean to people with any one excuse, like when disagreeing.
What is that phrase, that kindness starts at home?
My premise, good people are good all around.
Basically good, honest people don't wish ill on others as easily as antis seem to do regularly.
Remember, animal rights is about bans and eliminating uses of animals by humans.
Animal welfare is doing all we do with animals, including using some thru slaughter, the best way we can manage, with what we know.
When some want to ban this now, that later, they are following animal rights extremists agendas, if they want to admit it to themselves or are fanatics knowing very well what they are after.
Animal welfare would be working to make all we do, including slaughter, the best we can make it.
Those are different in important ways that we ought to be careful to remember will eventually mean if we get to keep our animals and yes, that means our horses also, or if we lose our rights to have them.
Really Bluey, the anti-slaughter people are the name callers ? I think I have been called many names by the pro-slaughter posters and the pro-carriage posters, names that I have been asked by the mods not to repeat.
Please, pointing fingers is quite silly at this point.
But Bluey, fairfax, the people who you claim want to ban slaughter on this thread other than maybe a couple, have never said that.
I and others want it to be done humanely, I for one know it will go on no matter what you or I or anyone says on a silly horse board,
But the fact that because we question makes us extreme animal rights activists? I am pretty sure if you take a poll on here, only a few would say they want it banned no matter what.
But this is not constructive, our words are thrown back at us, we are belittled, called names. Personally I think it is very sad that people act this way. that is what the internet has done, I can be sure none of us would talk this way to each other in person. So carry on.
To help Bluey out in her oft repeated words of the Dallas Crown plant testing every single horse (as told to her by some person) that is quite obviously (to everyone else) untrue, I think I can guess where her mis-information came from. I did come across a document on the FSIS or USDA site (can't remember now) regarding inspecting horses before slaughter. There was a regulation stating that every horse must be visually inspected prior to slaughter to ensure that it appears healthy and disease free. That's it, the animal must be ambulatory and look ok. Actual testing requirements were 1 in 300 (far less than 1%) animals or at least 1 per week. Hardly testing every single horse for "residues" as stated and no where near enough to be a statistically relevant sample of animals that are very likely to have each come from a different owner, background, etc.
That also was the plant's protocol and not USDA or any other, so you would not find official records of that or what the testing may have shown to run any statistics on that.
Not that this matters anyway today, other than one more way for some to try to call me names.;)
We're going to give everyone a break, and close this thread and let folks catch their breath.