I have a neighbor who has a ranch that is 2000 plus acres, and that family is extremely wealthy. On that ranch, in addition to multiple houses, indoor basketball court, swimming pool, etc etc, they have 12 or so trail horses. Their foreman asked me to come over one day to look at an old sick horse. The horse was in terrible shape, could hardly stand, and I said the best thing to do would be to put it down. The ranch owner was never going to pay big vet bills for it. Guess what, the few times I saw the foreman, he said the horse was still being kept alive. This is not a financial problem, folks, it is an asshat problem. As I said in an earlier post, the auction house is minutes away from here. There goes your argument that this horse would have a better death with slaughter.
Did euthanizing dogs and cats solve the overbreeding problem? Some people will not do the right thing. They breed, they will not euth. For one thing, there needs to be public awareness against this culture of breeding pets and horses. For another thing, euth needs to be made a more "acceptable" alternative.
OP is asking the wrong question, which should be "do you figure a possible expenditure for euth into your decision to own a horse"?
So what is the purpose of this? Why is it your business? You say it isn't about euthenasia, colic surgery, or any of that. Because there is a big difference in coming up with $500-$1,000 for something NEEDED then say going to the casino or shopping.
Originally Posted by Alagirl
I spent over 500 on one of my cats last year and ended up having to put him down anyways.
Now if they had cat slaughter perhaps I could have squeezed 5 bucks out of him being a renewable resource. :lol:
But as such option does not exist, I as the owner and care taker was responsible for these expenses. Which would be the same for my horses.
Unlike the pro slaughter peeps who think someone else should be responsible for the financial burden of euthanizing a horse, if slaughter was taken away as an option.
Unfortunately, euthanasia isn't that expensive here, but disposal is very expensive (over $500, last I heard) in the DC metro area, so I don't think that $1000 is as far off as some are claiming.
However, it is just simply the end we owe animals that work for us. It is a classic cost of doing business. It seems inevitable to me that if slaughter were to be repermitted in the U.S., it would be one more pernicious incentive in favor of indiscriminate breeding, since the risk of breeding a 'cull' would be offset by the value of unwanted horses on the domestic slaughter market. I think that is the wrong public policy message to send. I am perfectly happy for there to be little value to unwanted horses, because as many as there are now, there would be a hell of a lot more if people thought they could sell 'em for meat if they couldn't do their jobs or got too expensive to keep around.
If you don't like the cost structure of the horse business, O.P., then maybe you need to leave it.
The OP doesn't own any horses.
Originally Posted by Lori B
Just to add to the conversation ( which I agree is specious, but I do think its important to point out how different things are around the country) last on farm euth here was $250 for the euth and $375 for the haul away. Burying on site is illegal and carries hefty fines (thousands of dollars). I have it and always will.
However, as a trainer, these aren't the costs that make my business hard. I mean, they aren't nothing, but they aren't the major hardship. Those would be the rising cost of feed, the clients who routinely don't pay (and right as you reach the threshold for when you can put a lien on their horse, pay in full--yes, you can boot them, but you still have to recover from carrying an extra horse), the rising codt of routine vet bills and the general vagaries of the business (today's hero is tomorrow's chump ;) ). It's not euthing the oldsters that's the problem, lol.
We've never had to spend money to put down one of our horses unless you count the bullet. Nor have we ever sold a horse at a sale. DH has taken care of them on his own, borrowed a back hoe from the neighbor, one we sold to a guy that slaughtered the horse to feed his mink, and one the guy took the horse's body for the hide and disposed of the rest after DH put her down. No fun, it's not for the faint of heart, but he's old school that way.
If, however, one of our young healthy horses needed a $1500 surgery we'd do it. We don't have that money just sitting around collecting dust but we do have the means to get it. We aren't rolling in money but I always have a little financial safety net that I can get to if I need to. I wouldn't spend it on euthanasia though.
I don't own a horse, but I have a cash emergency fund (well, in a savings account) that is enough to cover 6 months of expenses. If I owned a horse, that money would also be used to cover emergency vet expenses and/or euth & disposal. (And I would probably sock away more into that account before actually acquiring a horse.)
IMHO, anyone should have an emergency fund in place for themselves and then for an animal before getting that animal. I know lots of people don't. But they should.
I *HAVE* it, sure (I have realized working at hourly jobs my idea of a reasonable checking account is much higher than some people's) but when it comes to some things I'm less likely to spend it than on others if I've got a cheaper alternative available.
Originally Posted by BEARCAT
remind me never to go on a trail ride with you guys:
you take the Chief Ladiga/Silver Comet trail and end up in Canada.....
Originally Posted by Couture TB
actually it does not matter what it is for.
a thousand buck is just that.
If it is something you need, you find means to provide it, if it something frivolous, well....it depends then.
Discretionary funds. outside the budget for regular things.
How much is a thousand dollars to you?
Is it much or little, really no big problem here? Simple question.
You got vet bills and euthanasia....certainly not things you can put off until the stocking is full (though the service provider might agree on payments)
That new show outfit...one should be able to take it or leave it, no?
(and I am taking into consideration that some show shirt run about as high there...same with show pads)
No, I don't have that in cash lying around. But I have room on my credit card to cover a pet emergency.
Good Grief !! Ask a simple question and Coth actually explodes!
OP just asked if $1000 was available and how much it would hurt.
To me $1000 is like a fire extingusher. Life happens and one should be prepared for it. Trailer tires blow out, water heater leaks, Horses colic and need a vet at 11pm Saturday night. The farm call is after hours emergency $$$. I've known all of this. Everybody should be prepared with some amount of money for emergency. Living pay check to pay check without a buffer is irresponsible and stupid. Stupid because life WILL happen. A Harsh sentiment but life is harsh.
The $1000 is merely an arbitrary number. Depending on your financial resources, it could be $50 or $50,000. $1000 should cover most ordinary "life happens"
So to answer the question: Yes, I have $1000 in my checking account that is a buffer. Yes, it would hurt to spend it because there are so many other desires.
In some other cultures its not considered macho to neuter your male animals.
Originally Posted by ToTheNines
THIS!!! And Thank You! You said it better than I could.
Originally Posted by hosspuller
Enough to make me feel "safe?":
Disposal expense for a horse ($850.00 + vet, hereabouts);
Deductible on privately-purchased major medical/accident insurance ($5,000.00, anyone?!);
The cost of the next truckload of hay ($3,500.00);
AND, yes, that "sh*t happens" ($1,500.00).
Plus, a high-limit credit card that would cover colic surgery, all of which is IN ADDITION TO the Suze Orman-recommended year's income, invested in a fund that pays a good return.
Mind you, I'm one of the poor horse owners 'round here! 'Fore y'all get feelin' too sorry for yerselves . . . :D
anyone who thinks the question isn't the OP's business is free not to answer!
for what it's worth, I've known folks who seemed to have way more than what I have (bigger house, new cars, etc) but obviously they didn't have cash laying around for emergencies because when one would come up they'd be all up in a panic. So the question was a valid one. Having available CASH at your fingertips is not necessarily tied to your income.
SO is all about Dave Ramsey and has converted me, too. $1000 would be a hit but I could handle it. While I disagree with him politically, Dave has gotten me to what I think is a great place financially, especially for my age.
Originally Posted by MoonoverMississippi
Is this really true? Why on EARTH would anybody pay one iota of attention to this person.
Originally Posted by tidy wabbit
I personally do not have much cash of my own. I'm working for my board and upkeep and am partially supported by my parents in case of an emergency (I'll be a freshman in college next year, currently on a gap year). I do not have a CC that I pay myself, just my I.C.E. card.
That being said, both of my parents are very well off, in the range of my mother not needing to work at all and still able to support 2 horses of her own, and various other activities with plenty of money to spare. That does not mean she always has cash on hand. She carefully budgest her money to have as little as possible liquidated for maximum income. Can she get cash if she needs it? Yes, but it requires several calls and some complications, not just writing a cheque. My dad keeps even less than her liquidated but again, he can come up with cash if he needs it.