In the 1980's and 1990's we were able to show (in Europe) a class called "Western Combination: a Western Riding pattern spicked with Trail obstacles. No letters, course was not read to you either, average ride time around seven minutes....In order to sucessfully complete a class like this your horse had to be ridden "correct" as in following the classic training scale. As for the rider, one had to be highly skilled as well. Unfortunately this class disappeared - makes you wonder why.....
Have you guys seen this EDS commercial? Their creative ad group was great. Love the cat herding and this one too. http://youtu.be/L2zqTYgcpfg
reminds me of the kandie threads on Ubby Dubb
BEWARE VORTEX!! lol
There are days when the lists of thread topics are literally half his doing, posting some stupid picture or cartoon. You can hardly find the discussions. One morning I checked in to COTH and someone had gone postal and bumped all his threads, so the forums were just wall to wall MM. :lol:
The poster was banned. You know, shoot the messenger and all that.
No it would not even have to be another animal.
It would be like we show up in a top hat and double bridle on a DWB to cut cattle only we ask the judges to judge us for our entry, halt, salute, meandering through the cattle without cutting a single one, passage/piaffe, halt salute instead of what is usually judge.
The judge knows we didnt cut a cow, the actual cutters know we didnt cut a cow, but the spectators filed in are primarlily new to cutting and have never seen enough good cutting but plenty of dressage so they applaud at our piaffe/passage, and the boards go crazy with dressage riders saying SO WHAT???!!! if they didnt cut a cow!!!, at least they are opening up the cow horse market with new people!
Cutesy pootsy dressage horses? Yeah, there are some that would fall apart outside an arena and facing - OMG - cattle (among other things). But I would mention that a few years back a 4th Level/PSG DWB was a member of the State Reserve Champion Team Penning team here in California. (He was not retired - he was also still competing as a dressage horse). All of my horses, excluding the present one (and we're working on that) were reliable jumpers and/or hunters and/or eventers and/or trail horses, including working cattle (ranch work, not competitive stock horse events). So? Cross-training is useful, but not required of a horse in every discipline. While I think it should be done, others don't, and if they're specialists, so be it, as long as their behavior isn't dangerous. ("I don't want to go near that cow" versus hysterical bolting, for example).
(and by cross-training, I don't mean western "dressage," whatever THAT may be. I'll venture an opinion on that when all the proponents actually have decided What The Fruitbat they're doing. At present, NOT dressage.)
There are quite a few dressage horses that aren't divas. I love my boy Carl Hester who hacks out his dressage horses, rides them on the road and turns them out. There are exceptions of course, but I do not think all dressage riders are afraid to go outside the sandbox. I think as trends go there are more horses that venture out the sandbox that are not dressage riders, but I'm trying not to speak in stereotypes any more.
In fact there was a thread asking whether Western is a state of mind or tack and we concluded it's the state of mind of the rider that dictates the exposure the horse gets regardless of the discipline.
I have no, zero, nada problem with CD or WD. Whatever floats your boat! There's no reason to think the horses are stressed or unhappy doing this. I haven't seen a lot of WD videos showing outstanding riding, but there's a lot of questionable riding at the intro levels of every discipline.
I have no, zero, nada problem with CD or WD using the term "dressage". As we all well know, dressage = training. I don't see how the using the terms CD and WD taints the "true" discipline of dressage - it's not a trademarked brand. I don't think we'll end up with lots of people who watched the Olympics and were inspired to take up dressage mistakenly ending up in a WD program ;).
I am, however, wondering how someone from classical/true/pure/whatever dressage and someone from WD/CD could have a fruitful discussion where they could take much away from each others' comments other than "Hm, that's interesting!" and develop some mutual respect. That's great, but why not discuss it in Off-Course?
Here's an analogy -- I am a scientist. I have a friend who's a historian. We both do research. It's interesting for me to hear how she does research, and I presume that at least some of the time she is interested to hear what I do. However, if I have questions about study design, I don't ask her -- I'll talk to another scientist. Not necessarily another biologist -- because cross-pollination of ideas is great -- but historical research methods are so different from what I use that it won't help me to talk to her. It doesn't mean that I am a snob and I think history is stupid or done by those who aren't talented enough to do science.
My 2 cents (I am clearly procrastinating today!) :)
I guess using your scientist analogy I see CD, WD, TD as different types of science as opposed to history vs science. So to use your analogy I would be happy to talk scientific methods with a molecular biologist, microbiologist, immunologist...
I do think your analogy clarifies our points of view.
My micro students are reading their first bacteria metabolism tests.
In my original post taking Dressagers to task for looking down upon other disciplines, I did mention that y'all could turn down the volume for a rant. That means, "take it easy, them's just my opinions."
I don't think I have "snobbery" so much as a desire for other folks to be honest about their prejudices. If that's snobbery to you, I'll accept the accusation.