It seems like if you want to protect genetic diversity, prevent horses from being bred that have recessive genetic defects the best option would be to not allow stallions to produce registered offspring. As nice as it would be to see all horse owners step up and make sure they don't produce animals with horrible genetic defects it doesn't seem to be happening.
yeah, sorry, not sure why I keep leaving out the H :)Quote:
also fwiw, it is HWSS not WSS ;)
That is not the kind of person we are talking about in this thread. The knowledge and means were there for her to do the responsible thing and she did not. No excuse. No way to legislate this type of person out of the breeding business. Very sad for the foal.
Just want to go on record that I think AQHA's stance on HYPP is ridiculous--they're just caving to those breeders that think N/H halter horses exemplify the breed ideal--YUCK!
What's even worse is breeders who purposefully breed FOR HYPP because they are just positive it will make that muscular-looking horse :( There are plenty of ?H horses who are lean, and there are lots of NN horses who look like they're on steroids (which I agree, is just a disgusting look). So, that blows that out of the water, yet they still cling to it as a stupid (because you can't fix that) excuse of why to keep purposefully breeding for it :( :(
That proves you can breed for that look without the risks of HYPP
And yes, APHA and ApHA still allow HH horses :( There is even a group of folks getting going a registry for HH QH's so they will have somewhere to go, so... :(
Really, really sad.
Unlike this ignorant QH/Paint breeder, SCID and the other Arab genetic problems are rarely evident at birth. These folks just bury their oopsies, nobody the wiser. In many cases they probably don’t even know why their foals got sick and died.
Until the AHR mandates all PB foals be tested before registration papers are issued, affected foals will still be born (and die) on a regular basis. Given the low rate of testing, the majority aren’t going to do the right thing unless forced.
I just checked in on the thread briefly and had to click off. People are congratulating her for doing the right thing for the colt. Too bad she/he didn't do the right thing for the mare 11 or in this case 12 months ago.
FWIW...20+ years ago when we were first looking for a fancy H/J type paint stallion, I came across a breeder who specialized in blk/white overos, mostly frame. I asked about the LWO problem and her reply was that. "yes, they average 4-5 a year, but it was worth the chance!!" I immediately scratched THAT breeder off my list!! 25% chance of a LW baby is NOT an acceptable chance I'd take!! Of course many QH and paint breeders are dealing with 100's of mares making babies. Maybe they can live with those odds!!
OMG that is horrific! I really want to post that I hope this foal will be a lesson to others and his death wasn't in vain but I am sure even that would get deleted and possibly get me banned. I don't want to beat a dead horse, pun intended but I don't think it is something that should be glossed over either. They need to own up to their mistake and vow publicly not to make it again in my opinion.
how did she do the right thing? It was going to drop dead anyway. Did she Euth him or let him die? It doesn't matter. How can you breed and risk your mare and foal just to have a dead foal at the end of the day (knowing that could be the outcome)? WTF?
I think there are two kinds of breeders who fit this catagory...ignorant ones who just don't "know" and the very large businesses (mostly found out here in "livestock country") who consider horses in the same class as cattle and just write off the lost ones!! I can't begin to imagine spending the time, money and effort of an 11 month gestation knowing in the back of my mind there was a 25% chance I was condeming a foal to a painful death. I know the "frame" look is desireable, but I would NEVER consider adding that risk to my breeding program.
Those are the only ones I'm interested in watching ( I have no desire to see much of what is out there I'm sure) ,and I can be of use because I keep late hours.
I have first hand heartbreak with HYPP. About 30 years ago I bred 2 mares to an Impressive grandson. He looked more TB and was a 10++ mover. One was a TB mare and the other an appendix mare both had fillies. The TB mares foal had coordination issues at birth that improved some but was finally euthanized when weaned for her own safety. The other ones issues became apparent when I started breaking her. We had her at New Bolton twice for in-coordination issues. She was xrayed from stem to stern with no definitive diagnosis. Their only suggestion was to give her time, she was a big filly. About 2 months later the whole Impressive HYPP issue was exposed. I received a call from NB to bring her back for bloodwork and sure enough that was the issue and they felt was also the issue with the other filly. I was so angry!!!! I vowed then to do alot more research and become an informed, super responsible breeder. I still feel guilty about those innocent fillies.