Doesn't look like the OP knows where to go from here... :lol:
Frankly, if the OP does not know the difference between a steward and a judge, and their respective roles, s/he probably should not be accosting anyone at a horse show.
Also, think of the example you are setting for your four year old child. Are you teaching your child by example to react with grace and resolve under adversity? Or are you teaching your child to moan and groan and complain when things don't fall perfectly into place?
Points to ponder before the next show.
First the judge had no business talking to the trainer in any way shape or form; if the judge had an issue w/ a trainer they should have discussed w/show management. Some local shows do not have a "steward" but might have someone acting in capacity of show manager/steward or it would show organizer(s). Secondly, just as judge was out of line to rant off on a trainer, OP shouldnt have said a word to trainer, but march right over to show office and complain. Thirdly - plenty of shows have a leadline, and then off lead line -generally you lose about 1/3+ of the class after leadline comes off and I've been at some small shows were they allowed attendants to walk/ jog beside the riders off the line - just in case...
Wow...what an incredible thread this has turned out to be. Makes me sorry I posted it...Yes we are new to Hunting, and most of you seemingly have been around the block more than us. But a mistake on my part about titles of an official leads to things like liar and backtracking?? Really?? For those that feel that way, you are very jaded and you have my sympathies.
Yeah, but I think most people (as many people in this thread are demonstrating) see a problem in your daughter cross entering. I also think the parents of the kids who can't do w/t would think its a little unsportsmanlike also.
I also agree that talking to the judge was way out of line. You need to let your trainer deal with those types of situations as he/she should be aware of show decorum.
-Okay, my browser was being a little slow. Yeah, the I don't like that the steward went off on the trainer in front of everyone, but I would prefer to know the whole story behind why. If the trainer was doing something out of line, I would applaud the steward for giving it to him/her. Trainers can take things way to far without respect for the rules and good sportsmanship.
I believe that under any circumstances judges, or trainers or anyone should scream at the ingate in front of anyone. They usually would get fined for that. Although that doesn't correct the problem, it is your right to report him. Warning, you will be blacklisted by that judge and he will use it against you and will spread rumors about you with his judge buddies so this is why everyone advises to keep your thoughts to yourself.
OP - I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt that you are too new to this to have all the lingo down. Still does not excuse the action. You'll be much better off accepting that you cannot control other people's behavior. You can use these opportunities to raise your daughter to have better manners than others around her may show.
If it was, in fact, the steward rather than the judge - why would you say you had never shown before this -steward- before?
That makes zero sense, even if you did mix up the roles of the two.
Thank you, gumshoe. That excuse doesn't hold much water.
Are you guys crazy? Do your call moan and complain because someone goes off like that? it is uncivilized behavior and should not be tolerated. And the OP has every right to question it. And she just wanted to know the reason for his behavior.
At any rate, now that we are past the animosity that my post generated (at least I hope we are - if all you have is a senseless dig, please be an adult and just post nothing), my post was intended to generate some discussion about posters experiences dealing with similar situations. Beyond what was already made clear by many of you (that you would never approach the official like I did), what I would be interested in hearing is your stories and how resolved. After all, I am sure we will encounter some of the same as time goes on. But please spare me the holier than thou stuff...
OK, then an honest mistake. But a good learning opportunity for everybody involved... You don't want to be THAT show mom (think Dance Moms). And many competitors take it very seriously. They know the rules and don't take kindly to poor sportsmanship. Trainers tend to be a little more understanding, because you're paying them. To avoid offending judges, stewards, and competitors next time, your trainer should be the one to address any issues. Otherwise, that rant may be directed at you or your daughter next time.
And I do agree this was an opportunity to teach your daughter that she can handle the pressures of showing without Mommy coming to the rescue. Instead she probably thinks it's appropriate to complain.
...are you are trying listen to our advice now??? i don't know if you or the MOD took the comment off but i did see the comment you posted about us being off our meds. who is trying to be "holier than thou" with a comment like that?!?!?!
Just because it's a show official it doesn't make them exempt from rules or accepted behavior.
Above is a link to a USEF hearing session.
1) Show management was fined $750 for refusing entries.
2) An exhibitor behaved badly towards a judge. Got a 3 month suspension and a large fine.
3) a judge seems to have mouthed off at the parent of a Jr exhibitor. Judge was fined.
Yes, you need to speak with the steward for permission to chat with the judge. But if the steward is behaving badly see the show manager and file a complaint.
And if more exhibitors would file protests against judges or stewards who think they can be rude as they please then perhaps everyone would behave a bit better.
You can also fill out a show evaluation form available at no charge and, IIRC, on the USEF website. There is a place to address any complaints about judges.
Judge or not, I would not ever walk up to a total stanger who I had observed recently having a temper tantrum and suggest he correct his behavior-that is not a safe thing to do.