Have I told you lately that I loff you?
I pretty much agree w/ you on USEF at this point BTW. I've defended them for decades, but they threw that protester under the bus and I for one don't appreciate it none! ;)
One thing I did want to throw out there for consideration, in terms of bringing some pressure to bear on USEF - and I don't know HOW this could be done, but I assume that it COULD (and that the NYT article wouldn't hurt) - is how about getting word to the USOC somehow that the NGB for equestrian sport is doing absolutely-effing-nothing to effect cleanup of the sport, and in view of recent decisions, said Federation has effectively rendered its protest procedure null and void?
I hate to play this kind of hard ball, I'd far rather USEF stood up for itself and did the right thing - but if we could push USEF to the point where they believed their standing as the official NGB was affected, THEN we might see some change.
About time somebody stepped up to the plate. Vet named is, frankly, not a surprise at all. Whatever else, owner (who has had one great and many very nice ones) should be congratulated for having the guts to openly proceed with it against a very busy and well known show vet. One there have always been some whispers about. Actually used him once for a minor procedure when horse was on the road for 3 weeks-bill was 3 times what it would have cost at home.
IMO there is a worse problem with overmedicating and using multiple drug combinations on sore horses in any discipline then quieting them and Jumpers would be just as much, or more, likely to need a little "help" as any Hunter.
She claims the last injection she gave Humble was Legend....and then Humble dropped dead. As a horse owner who has had the vet give my horse Legend, after surgery as part of his recovery, I want to know why a seemingly healthy horse dropped dead after getting Legend. Since Elizabeth Mandarino seems so enthusiastic to bring forth lawsuits, why isn't she suing Bayer, the manufacturer of Legend??
Is Bayer covering something up about Legend? Does the product need to be taken off the market after the sudden death of Humble after, according to Elizabeth Mandarino of Amber Hill Farm, and be investigated?? Is their product dangerous?? Will my horse drop dead just like Humble did??
We should all be contacting Bayer and demanding answers from them regarding the allegations as put forth by Elizabeth Mandarino.
Umm......have you seen the medication schedule that the pony was on?? Me thinks that Legend was the least of his problems....
I will be interested to see whether this very significant article gets discussed during the GM Horsemastership Clinic that begins tomorrow. The biggest challenge is that everyone there will probably think that Ms. Mandarino is perpetually self-medicated with whatever "wasn't" in the syringe (the one they never recovered from Humble). They may easily dismiss her as a deviant. But, if they really explore the subject with the vets during the portions of the clinic that address horse care, they may get some very interesting observations/thoughts from the kids that came up through the pony and hunter ranks. Hope they broadcast that part!
@ Findeight, since you read the transcript too, am I correct that on page 77 (or thereabouts) it says that Gabby, the groom who may or may not have been the one who actually gave the shot, is "presumed illegal," has disappeared, and has never provided an affidavit or been deposed?
Don't suppose there is a live feed of the vet symposium on that???? They need to discuss the subject in general, even if they leave EM and her hoards of lawyers out of it. After all, one of their own just went down in a lawsuit referenced a couple opf pages ago.
I'd LOVE to sit in on that.
Wouldn't surprise me a bit tho. That very subject was referenced either here or on my Humble Initiative thread, expecting the "help" to do the deeds then blaming them for being "illegals" and vanishing. Crap, any groom regardless of status who was directed to give a shot and had the animal drop dead would probably split too.
EM has posted letters from her vets in New Jersey, Florida, and Juan Gamboa (NC and Classic Company's show vet) on her amber hill farm Facebook page and many other documents. In their letters to the USEF they all praise EM for her horse's care etc. Of course Gamboa spends most of the space in his letter stating that he never sold any Carolina Gold to EM. If he did, would he have stated that in a letter to the USEF? Of course not given the banning of it. Also attached to her Facebook page are letters from her landlord, a customer leasing one of her ponies, her husband, etc.
At the end of the day we will never know all the details..but the outcome of all this publicity is that going forward more people will be more sensitive as to who they do business with..trainers, vets, etc...and that somehow the USEF will find a way to be aggressive and severe where they can prove drug issues. Civil cases do not have the same guidelines as criminal matters but it seems as though the USEF in it's hearings wants ironclad proof (tox reports, pictures, video or an admission of guilt) that an infraction has taken place. Black and White. Their current punishment for infractions are a joke and the recent USHJA cover photo is a testament to broken oversight. Can you search for all of SS's disciplinary actions over the years on the USEF site? NO....you would have to look at every month's "for the record" pages over the years. So the actions just fade away as each month comes and goes.....washed away with the most recent turmoil.
Again, only EM knows what took place and to debate anything else is futile.
We need to get the USEF to be a real governing body with some serious teeth or see the demise of hunters..it may already be tooooo late for a new generation of youngsters whose parents read the NYT and are walking away from the child's dream of owning a pony.
Big Pharma frowns on those types of accusations but I'm sure Bayer would figure out, as have the rest of us, that very few people are taking her claims seriously.;)
So I read the Chronicle of the Horse, is it as bad as all the big names I see there...on the cover as you said...I have loved the emergence of the Hunter Classics and Derbies...is it everyone that is drugging? I breed sport horses but I want nothing to do with risking selling drugged horses sent to be sold by trainers and fooling customers or selling to homes that use horses like that. Who is honest...I can see how you can risk legal action if you out the dishonest...is it naive to out the honest? I suppose so. How sad.
I am second-generation mexican-american. My great-grandparents were migrant farmworkers. My BS degree is in the social sciences. I'm saying that because I don't want this to come out wrong: If you really want to know what is happening at the big shows and in the big barns, take someone with you who speaks Spanish and go talk to the stable hands. They see everything and know exactly who is doing what to whom.
Because the stable hands tend are sometimes here in the US without legal immigration papers, they are afraid to speak for fear of deportation. My experience was that the BNTs had their "illegals" or "Mexicans" do the actual doping/soreing/whatever, so that if it was ever exposed, the BNT could then publicly profess innocence and blame everything on the now-fired or deported "illegal."
Humans are an invasive species. Thank you all for sharing your expertise.