I think in general, ration balancers tend to be similar, quality wise. You may want to look into TC Lite, which is sort of in between an RB and a regular feed, meant to be fed at 2-4 lb a day I believe. It could be a viable option for you. I personally use TC 30, triple crown's RB, and I love it. My hard keepers get TC Senior and I've found they keep weight on very well with it.
I don’t know what hays you have available to you. But I have a 16.3h 5 year old in work (pretty big girl, wears an 82” blanket and a 54” girth), who requires a fair number of calories. I did have her on grass hay mix, and was feeding alfalfa pellets, in addition to a RB, and oil, she was losing weight – switched to a fortified feed and I found I was having to add more and more concentrates to keep her weight up, until I was feeding a big ol’ bucket full.
I ended up switching over to alfalfa hay. She now gets alfalfa twice a day (over 20 pounds total) and grass hay for lunch. In addition, she gets 1 pound of RB (designed for CA alfalfa) and 1.5 pounds of rice bran (although she is now in very good weight, so I may reduce that – but it has made her coat nice and slick!).
I happy with the results so far, and I feed the hay in a nibble net, which means she has food out basically 24/7. I like that she gets the extra chewing time / forage over pellets.
TC Lite is 1lb/500lb weight, so yes, somewhere between 2-4lb for horses, though most closer to 2.
But, keep in mind it's a Lite feed, so lower in calories than a regular feed. It's just more fortified than regular feeds so it can be fed with fewer calories - between a RB serving and a regular feed serving.
Nothing wrong with it,but not as helpful in terms of calories as if you just switched to a regular feed at 4-6lb/day
Like others have said, I'd switch to a fortified complete feed.
My 17 yr old guy is on a round bale and keeps good weight but needs a little help when the temps drop now that he's getting a little older. He gets beet pulp, a few pounds of complete feed, and flax to keep him a little plump and happy.
Also, my guy lives outside 24/7 and I've noticed in the last few years I've had to up his blankets. He's more susceptible to cold now than he was when younger so he wears his light blanket when he used to wear nothing, and his heavy blanket when he used to where his light one. Keeping him warmer has helped keep the weight on him, too.
I doubt I can find (or afford) alfalfa hay this winter, what with the scarcity of hay due to the drought. I am lucky to have found some decent round bales.
I just checked and only 1 dealer in another county can order it - and it's only $8 less per bag than the RB!
Maybe I should just give more of the RB; be less expensive.
You can't give more of the ration balancer above and beyond what is indicated on the bag - its essentially a superconcentrated form of nutrients....doubling up can easily lead to feeding too much of certain vitamins and minerals, and for some like Selenium, you don't want to over feed.
By the time you add in the cost of the alfalfa pellets, ration balancer, cubes, blah blah blah, figure up what your daily cost to feed is. I bet its more than feeding TC Senior daily, even when that alone is $8.00 less a bag than the ration balancer.
I switched my senior citizen from a ration balancer and senior feed plus alfalfa pellet to Nutrena Pro Senior and nothing else. It is alfalfa based and has pre and probiotics. As long as he eats the recommended amount he is getting everything he needs in one product.
RBs are designed to be fed at a specific (and often small) amount as they are highly fortified. Feeding over the recommended amount will result in feeding over the levels of the minerals and vitamins that are recommended (not advisable, especially if they are fat soluble vitamins).
I would certainly add more alfalfa pellets before “over dosing” on the ration balancer.
I believe I will try the Nutrena Senior Pro.
What about Safe Choice Perform?
I am having trouble even finding Nutrena SP :mad:
Have a Kent Dealer in your area?
Purina mostly. Some Nutrena. Buckeye at 1 place only.
I can't find Nutrena Pro Senior - Their site lists only Life Design or Triumph as the available senior feeds. Could they have changed the name?
Originally Posted by Laurierace
No, the Pro line is new. I guess they aren't selling it everywhere yet.
I wonder what other Nutrena product is best until I can convince them to stock it.
Life Design Senior? Safe Choice Special Care?
Triple crown IMO is really one of the best feeds. I still say like others to switch him to tc senior. Example on cost, tc ration balancer is what I use to use when I needed to it was 30 a bag then if you add the alfalfa pellets at 15 a bag that they are here for stanlee, then alfalfa cubes at 15 to 20 a bag depending on how many bags of alfalfa you go thru anyhow often the cost a week if it's a bag a week is 30 for just alfalfa and 30 a month for the rb thats 150 a month compared to tc senior if feed by the bag requirements it's about 72 a month around here. You'd actually be saving money.
Tc senior u get 1548 calories per pound
Legends senior you get 1355 per pound
Nutreana senior you get 7% high fat content versus 5%
tc senior you get 10% high fat content versus 5%
With the textured tc senior your also getting the beet pulp in the feed instead of having to add
Crude Protein (min.) 14.00%
Lysine (min.) 0.70%
Methionine (min.) 0.20%
Threonine (min.) 0.40%
Crude Fat (min.) 10.00%
Crude Fiber (max.) 17.00%
Calcium (min.) 0.90%
Calcium (max.) 1.40%
Phosphorus (min.) 0.60%
Magnesium (min.) 0.37%
Iron (min.) 175 ppm
Potassium (min.) 1.25%
Selenium (min.) 0.50 ppm
Zinc (min.) 170 ppm
Manganese (min.) 100 ppm
Copper (min.) 55 ppm
Vitamin A (min.) 6,000 IU/lb
Vitamin D (min.) 1,000 IU/lb
Vitamin E (min.) 170 IU/lb
Ascorbic Acid (min.) 45 mg/lb
Biotin (min.) 0.30 mg/lb
Fermentation Product (min.) 1.3 million CFU/gm
Yeast Culture (min.) 2.5 million CFU/gm
Fermentation Extract (min.) 110 CMC–ase Units/lb
Protease (Bacillus Subtilis
Fermentation Extract) (min.)
Crude Protein 14.0%
Crude Fat 3.5%
Crude Fiber max 16.0%
Calcium 0.65% - 1.00%
Copper 30 ppm
Zinc 120 ppm
Selenium 0.3 ppm
Vitamin A 3,500 IU/lb
Vitamin D 350 IU/lb
Vitamin E 75 IU/lb
Biotin 0.3 mg/lb
Try Purina Senior Active healthy edge. It has a little bit less fat than TC Senior, but is still more than most feeds. Also, go to activestill.com and take a quiz and you can get $ off coupons for it. You don't tell us how much hay cubes you are giving but I would suggest starting with 4-6 lbs of senior feed and adjusting from there.