Here is a nice AP
In fact, I finally got myself a dressage saddle that fits mare and I well....rode in it a few times, and back on the shelf it went.
Now, I do ride in a County Stabilizer on my mare, (as mentioned by you) but my gelding has a County Innovation with huge knee blocks that makes it more of a couchy jump saddle. But I think it's a moot point (more or less), because I think to ride dressage you need to roll your legs out at the hip, drop your legs down, and sink into your base more. There's nothing in most CC saddles to prevent you from doing that. With the dressage saddles I've ridden in, there is a physical "block" so to speak against rotating your thighs/legs in toward the knee and shortening your stirrups a lot.
To the OP - I do all of my dressage work in CC saddles. I do none of my jumping work in dressage saddles. It's not that I think it would be prohibitively difficult to survive the attempt, but as many have pointed out, in the name of LEARNING to jump I think you would be doing yourself a huge disservice. But with that being said, I'm far from a dressage saddle expert, and perhaps there are those out there that work better than the ones I've sat in.
And, of course, it goes without saying that a poorly fitted saddle of either type (even if it fits the horse okay) will fight you every step of the way regardless of the type.
I didn't realize I was such a risk taker while jumping my mare over crossrails last year while riding in my......Custom Victory (deemed a couch w/big kneerolls by most here). Who knew I lived on the edge? I was actually quite comfy, didn't get left behind, didn't get jostled, didn't fall off....but had NO idea the danger I was in. Wowsers.
DANGER! DANGER, WILL ROBINSON!
at least I've alway understood this :lol: to indicate a degree of genuine appreciation of the funny in life.
As for the majority opinion being somehow more "correct" - well, that is I suppose, your opinion.
As for my statement regarding the CS vs the CI - that was personal experience shared by 3 different riders in the same saddles on the same horse: all wished for the removal of the rear blocks on the CI & all appreciated the more open, closer contact seat of the CS BUT these were dressage riders that generally ride in fairly open, minimal block dressage saddles.
Other riders may have entirely different experiences - hence the forum of discussion.
You're correct, jumping in a dressage saddle is not done with a very short stirrup & rider form will certainly differ: not the least because, these are likely dressage riders who only jump once a week or less & the jumps are generally cross rails or verticals & oxers under 3' - all of which sounded rather like the OP's plans for her future horse ...Quote:
With the dressage saddles I've ridden in, there is a physical "block" so to speak against rotating your thighs/legs in toward the knee and shortening your stirrups a lot.
Which may (& likely will) change in time, but really, she is going to be OK whether she chooses to begin with a dressage saddle & jump occasionally (& then likely purchase a more purposed saddle should she & her horse decide to pursue jumping rather more seriously) or begin with a jump saddle & do her flatwork or dressage in that (& then likely purchase a more purposed saddle should she & her horse decide to pursue dressage rather more seriously).
Most posters on this thread were rather adamant that a dressage saddle is either utter crap for jumping or incredibly dangerous for jumping.
I've posted this video before but watch Jim Elders at the '68 Olympics & look at the saddle at ~1:26 - alot has changed since then - one of my favorites from his interview
we didn't have any proper training ...you just got on & rode
However, to your earlier point, my cc saddle is fairly minimalist. It's a Butet, with a flat seat and no blocks of any sort at all. If I lengthen my stirrups, I can fairly easily roll my hips open a bit and put my leg on without difficulty.
I don't think its dangerous or impossible - but it doesn't make your life any easier trying to jump too big in a dressage saddle. If you are doing absolutely nothing more than hopping over knee high cross rails, then personally I wouldn't go out and buy a jumping saddle just to do that.
But anything more and yeah I'd tend to agree with the people saying either AP saddle or a hunt seat type (more of a half seat than a flat seat, bit more secure than most flatseats).
I have both, dressage saddles and jumping saddles and I have to say, I tend to pick the jumping saddle if I'm planning on doing anything more than poles on the ground. Even if I just want to pop over a couple of 2' jumps at the end of a session or something I'll stick the jumping saddle on over the dressage saddle because I'm more than happy to flat school in it, but as a rule I try and avoid jumping in a dressage saddle.
I did my first few lessons in the Butet though, which is why I know it's fine. (It's not the saddle that's limited, it's the rider.)
As a matter of fact, I *can* jump in the dressage saddle, and do, once in a while. But it sucks. The balance is completely wrong, and the blocks prevent me from keeping the correct angles in my knee and hip.
This comes to mind
The grand finale
With that being said, I have jumped in a dressage saddle over about 2'9'' and felt completely out of balance.
This rider is jumping in what looks like a dressage saddle with long stirrups and she didn't look too bad to me (However- I am no judge).
It can be done.