Bey Shah had Polish Arab and I find those to be quite lovely. Also with the amount of successful get, he had to have something going for him.
ETA - I noticed that there is no mention of the amazing dams of famous get you mention on your website - they deserve a huge part of the credit. And were mostly Polish bred. Bey Teyna & Shahteyna are both out of TW Forteyna who played ahuge part in the breeding success of Bey Shah. And it should be noted that Fame VF and Rave VF are also full brothers. I really wish Arabian people would seriously give the mares some credit. Maybe we would be breeding better horses if this was the case. JMHO & observations.
As I dive more into your link, the stallion is sired by none other than Bey Prost (Bey Shah x TW Forteyna). Again, the most successful pairing with Bey Shah.
My horse was more high headed, and I did a slight shoulder fore to get him to drop his head - it got him to relax his body and reach forward and out just like a dressage horse using its body correctly will want to. Not the same contact, of course, but still the same overall theory.
A LOT of people use gadgets, drawreins harsh bits, yanking every time the judge looks away, whatever.
Someone asked a while back about Qredit's canter. Score from the training judge at his 70DT was 8.0 for canter, and 8.5 for cross-country gallop. Score from the two test judges was 9.5 for canter and 9.25 for cross-country gallop.
Well if this doesn't say something to breeders about the Arabs and Half-Arabs, I don't know what would. Clearly there is a market there. Cheaper, smaller, easier (physically) to ride, and typically more sound. What's not to like?
Trends in US Dressage:
Breed Classes: the Rise of the Arabians
One interesting thing to note. While the above does not reflect Breed-specific shows and classes, there were some interesting trends there. Beginning in 2009, there was a significant and distinct uptick in the # of Breed-Restricted classes and Breed shows with USEF/USDF recognized classes. From 2009 – 2012 there were roughly 4x the # of Breed-Specific Tests and 2x the # of shows offering Breed-specific classes (most of these were Breed Specific shows) when compared to a similar time period prior to 2009. In addition, approximately 65% of this volume could be attributed to Arabian (Arabian, Half-Arabian, Arab-Cross) breed classes. In second place (carrying approximately 5% of the breed specific volume) were Morgan classes. The remainder were distributed throughout a number of different breeds (including traditional warmbloods such as Oldenburgh and KWPN classes, etc.). If any reader has an opinion or is aware of a change in USEF or USDF policy that would have caused this spike, please let us know your thoughts.
Does anyone know if Donarweiss has any half Arabian foals? I have been advised to cross my mare with De Niro and she's not really a frozen candidate, so I'm looking at De Niro sons. I see this boy quite a bit and have photographed him many times. Love his size, compact body and his trainability/ridability, plus the bonus is he's sabino. Just wondering if he has been used on an Arabian.
If I were to breed my filly to a warmblood he'd be my pick, I just love him. The only thing that some people would see as a negative is you certainly would not get any size out of the equation.
I don't believe that Donarweiss is available for cooled semen, if you find out that he is, please let us know. I've seen a couple of his foals, very nice indeed.
The size thing would be my hesitation. I'm relatively tall at 5'7" and have very long legs. I need a bigger horse - or at least one that has very well sprug ribs. And even though there is some demand for smaller warmbloods, there is still a much bigger one for those that are in the 16h range.
I have not seen him in person, but I would bet most of my life savings he's not 16hh himself.
I see him all the time and he's right at 16h, he's so compact it gives him a smaller appearance. Size is not a factor for me, so that isn't a concern. Just wondering if there were any examples. I know there will not be any fresh cooled semen for this breeding season, but I'm hoping by 2014 or 2015 that will change.
Perfect Pony - do have links to any photos of the pony crosses? I would be very interested in seeing them.
Anyone know if Devon Heir has any Arabian crosses? LOVE this boy and I've been watching him since 2004. I like that his dam is by Rubinstein, as this line has a very good track record for Arabians.
The club foot issue is a serious one. Not just with the Bey Shah stuff either (and Fame was probably one of the least likely to pass on bad legs/feet or the wonky temperament that the Bey Shahs have been known for). I worked for one of the largest spanish breeding farms in the country, and the club foot issue was a serious one there (though the owner didn't seem to care or know?? :eek:) as well. I think it's a combination of genetics (not breeding away/out of it, lack of culling), valuing type over correctness, bad shoeing, bad feeding...etc. I think the arab/WB crosses can be great, and am thankful for the inspection process to weed out those bad feet in what are supposed to be improvement sires/dams. There definitely is a culture of "Well, he's so pretty it doesn't matter" and "a little high/low is no big deal, he's sound anyway!" etc.
It is very, very hard to find arabians with good legs and feet these days (even if the rest of the package is there in spades).
Re: the croup/hip issues - there's a tendency in sporthorseland to immediately discount a somewhat flat croup without looking at the underlying structure and angles of the hip which is really more critical.
Something less addressed in this thread that arabians bring IMO is being game and trying hard. I have the somewhat unique position of having worked at several Arab farms, then transitioned to a jumper/eventer/foxhunting facility, and now managing a dressage barn. Warmbloods have a lot more "No" in them in my experience, a little less easily motivated, etc. This isn't so much a knock on them, but Arabs (depending on breeding) really like to try to please with very little convincing. It makes them a little more sensitive and trainable in my view :)
The foal named "Distinguished Gentleman" is out an Arabian mare. He was Champion foal of his inspection.
Natalie at Hilltop said he has been bred to a couple Arabian mares with very good results.
After years of riding arabs only, just bought myself a warmblood mare. I like her a lot, but definitely the next horse is going to be either an arab or an arab cross. I miss the game attitude and the smaller package. The mare is big and she knows it, lol!
Personally partial to Polish and some racebred arabians. I look for good hip and really solid bone. My arabian gelding is domestic but is built like a tank. I've been told he's not the most attractive, but he's extremely athletic, and has never had a lame day since I've owned him.