---- Let's imagine ----
Let's imagine that one day, Eventers in the US of A woke up to find the the USEF had voted on a rule. The rule is quite simple, "No member of USEA or USEF may perform in shows that are not sanctioned by USEF.". The hew and cry would be enormous. Even this lowly just minted BN, but USEA member could not go to a schooling show sponsored by Jumping Branch or FENCE or Stoneridge. Sure, I forfeit my membership, but then I can't perform in championships.
Oh, the reasons would be things like "Well we can't guarantee the safety of horses or we can't assure the safety of riders", but what the real issue is, people don't want to spend double the cost. Schooling shows become bad business for USEF and they want them out.
Were the USEF truly concerned about welfare and safety they would do something that would address the heart of the issue, allowing the coexistence of two worlds.
--- End imagine ----
Now, to speculate that FEI is concerned about doping of horses at shows not under their control is hard to believe. Unless a rider has a special horse just for non-sanctioned shows then at some point that horse will be under FEI rules and subject to testing. What rider would take the chance?
Were this about horses then the rule would have applied just to horses. It did not. It stated horses, rider, and officials. I agree with the other poster that attempts to rationalize do more harm. The FEI was very clear at first, the more they spoke, the more confusing it became. That sounds like a bull....er to me. This was a group of people that felt they could take a power grab on the world of equine sports. For my part I hope they fail and that is because riders, officials and concerned supporters stand up and say No.
If it adds to this discussion...the USEA officials I have spoken with are DEEPLY concerned with, and wish the best for, unrecognized events. They know they are important to the sport. They have been looking for unfunded ways to encourage the adoption of rules like the USEA's that provide safer competitions (like having ambulances on site, better and safer jumps and courses, etc.) and knowledgeable officials and organizers so that one's first taste of the sport doesn't end in a disaster. The problem is always not enough funds to develop encouragement programs.
In racing, big money is always in sanctioned events so that the spectacle is clean, i.e., within a jurisdiction that tests. How can a multimillionaire/business supporting an unrecognized event/competiton that does not test have any sort of legitimate bragging rights if the horses that win are not tested clean?
It's definitely a very poorly thought out response to the competition to sanctioned shows. What the FEI is saying is that you can either play in their sandbox or ours. You choose.
I also agree that the USEF drug policies are ridiculous. But they make the h/j people happy. Don't know about the breeds and other disciplines.
Have y'all noticed that drug violations (FEI and other) are almost, if not entirely, unknown in the eventing world? At least for those whose history is in eventing. :)
I think it's proportional according to the stats on positives. 5000 jumpers....50 eventers....
I haven't thoroughly read all the posts, but does this mean if I enter any FEI competition, even at the 1 star level, I can't enter any other competitions? For us adult amateurs who may be considering whether or not we want to compete in FEI 1 stars versus just doing Prelim HTs, this seems like it seals the deal. For those of us on the West Coast, where there are relatively few FEI competitions in eventing, it seems like it would kill those divisions. Am I missing something?
Yes, Vali, this rule is meant to apply to international competition and not local unrecognized HTs, schooling shows, etc. The rule was poorly written; we are waiting for official clarification.
You do not "Clarify" a rule, you alter it, amend it, or stricken it, but clarification is not an official act. Who wants to test this out? Which BNR or BNO, which AA like Vail wants to compete at a large schooling show, a large non-sanctioned event in 2012 and when they are suspended, attempt to challenge the rule.
The FEI was clear about what was considered a sanctioned event, that which was on their date calendar and/or authorised by a NF (like USEF). Everything else fails so....the only way to clarify this is to alter the rule its self. Has there been any sign that is happening? Have we heard from USEF other then "we're looking into it"?
My prediction, FEI will delay, obfuscate, and do nothing, waiting for the "tempest" to go down. USEF has no real bone to pick with this rule so they will also "make noise" but do nothing. Soon this will pass to be replaced with mundane topics like "did you see MLM at KOC wearing that outfit" or "OMG anther show may close" or "Hey I did my first <> show?". Good people on this list will start to go "get over it, let's move on, nothing to see here any more". Then one day someone will be used as the test example by FEI to send the signal they really did mean what they wrote all along. By then it will be too little too late and we'll see another door closing on horse riding as a somewhat less expensive sport.
I have no dog in this hunt. Any FEI Rider, any judge or official working with FEI does and if they are silent then they either don't care about anything outside FEI, or are too concerned how pushing back may be taken.
Make me wear a helmet...fine, but tell me where I can compete? Who the hell do they think they are?
Amen JP60! I think you are spot on across the board! The people who are currently FEI riders, officials or horse owners, or those planning on becoming one of the above NEED to keep pushing USEF to stand up and get this rule officially changed/amended/etc, not just clarified in a press release!
The FEI is very patient and will have no problem waiting until no one is paying attention when they start enforcing this and there's no momentum to back them down. Seems to me that as we approach WEG 2014 and Rio 2016, they will have plenty of "reasons" to enforce this. I hope the USEF actually stands up for those who will be affected, but I'm skeptical...
Rock on JP60, rock on :yes:
I agree there are not as many in Eventing as there are in H/J, and some other disciplines, but there is a mich bigger population of H/J riders.
I wonder what the proportional rate is?
FEI equine anti-doping cases can be see here or here (with athlete suspensions included).
In 2012, out of 17 total cases, one was for an eventer. There were no eventing cases in 2011, and one in 2010.
The vast majority of cases are in endurance and jumping. There's a couple of drivers, and one vaulter.
On the current suspension list, there are 15 endurance cases, 6 jumping (although 4 are for horses and 2 are for humans), 2 in driving, 1 in vaulting and 1 in eventing. Out of these 25 cases, 13 are from the UAE. Maybe Princess Haya needs to have a talk with her husband.
Curiuoser and Curiuoser....
It already has passed.
how did we get to drug positives from rule changes? Any USEF "clarification" yet?
Retread, it's still before 9am on Monday morning of a holiday week.
Nope, no clarification yet that I've seen, but I agree with JP60's analysis and comments. Despite any potential clarifications, the rule stands as it is until amended.