I'm in a friendly fight about this pedigree. Can those in the know far more than I plse either confirm or deny this pedigree is good/bad jumper blood?
http://www.pedigreequery.com/baby+chips
TIA
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I'm in a friendly fight about this pedigree. Can those in the know far more than I plse either confirm or deny this pedigree is good/bad jumper blood?
http://www.pedigreequery.com/baby+chips
TIA
No idea, but someone REALLY named their foal Ack Ack? :lol: :lol:
This pedigree should definitely be able to jump..
Broad Brush, Buckpasser, HTF, Best Turn (sire of Hand in Glove who is in many a french pedigree including Jaguar Mail), Olden Times, Prince John AND this mare is out of the 1-L dam line that produced the likes of Speak John and Stage Door Johnny.
Actually if you look at Hand In Glove's pedigree its very similar to this mare's.
Just my two cents.
Yes. ;) Nice horse, too.Quote:
Originally Posted by JB
Was he? I'd love to know :)
I would say yes:yes:
I;m not a pedigree expert but I do like to see Hoist the Flag. :) IIRC he was a sire of some good jumping horses, including Salutely.
Ack Ack was one hell of a race horse, winning the Horse of the Year title in 1971, along with the best handicap and best sprinter horse titles in the same year. If anyone is terribly curious, I have the 1972 American Racing Manual which includes a several page long summary of Ack Ack's accomplishments. It is a very neat thing to read.
He is also considered a very nice sport horse influence in a pedigree, although the sire line has nearly died out, as Broad Brush died several years ago and his stallion sons have not exactly lit the racing world on fire. What's rather interesting is that the ARM talks about how Ack Ack could potentially revive the "doomed" Colin sire line, and now we have it dying out again. Viney could perhaps speak to the importance (or not) of that particular sire line.
When I was looking through some of his progeny and their progeny, I ran across this colt:
http://www.pedigreequery.com/bring+back+ack+ack
Who I would just love to see. He has a very cool pedigree from a sport horse perspective.
I did see a son of Include this summer who was also QUITE lovely.
Simkie beat me to it, but here are some links:Quote:
Originally Posted by JB
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ack_Ack_(horse)
http://www.racingmuseum.org/hall-of-...ew.asp?varID=1
He was the sire of Broad Brush:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broad_Brush
Broad Brush is the sire of Include, who has been producing some very nice horses (Panty Raid, Include Me Out, Redeemed, Her Smile, etc). This is probably the last hope for that sire-line, as well.
http://cs.bloodhorse.com/blogs/scot/...es-domino.aspx
http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...od-night-shirt
Very cool, thank you both!
Speaking of Broad Brush, this race always amuses me. Watch it:
http://youtu.be/tmg5pOSBEEE
What? *you* didn't see the monster sitting on the rail? LOL!
another just anecdotal peice of info.. Speak John was the great-dam sire of Mytens..Mytens dam sire is also Hoist the Flag..
Mytens is the sire of the likes of Mighty Magic, Watermill Rolex, Hamar etc.. along with being in the pedigree's of about 200 other sporthorses..
I just mention Speak John as this mare is out of the same dam line as he is.
Holy crap! LOLOL
HA! "What? I thought we were done..."Quote:
Originally Posted by harvestmoon
I think Include will keep the line going. I've seen several in person who were very nice-- one G1-placed broodmare by Include who would've made a super event horse...big lovely mover, athletic. Another who was already eventing at beginner novice.
As harvestmoon mentioned, Include has had some solid racehorses lately, and standing at Airdrie he'll have good support (I don't see them shipping him off to Turkey anytime soon!).
I have a 19 y.o. Thoroughbred gelding who has been my dressage horse and is a grandson of Ack Ack (x Violado - who was a strip quality stallion). Violado won the Louisiana Derby over Creme Fraiche (Belmont winner) and was also an allowance winner in England. I took care of him, handled him to breed and galloped him, what a lovely horse he was inside and out! My gelding is a lovely classic TB with a ton of suspension in his trot, so I LOVE the Ack Ack line!
The horse you asked about has a several crosses to Turn To as well as Double Jay, Hoist the Flag and another Man 'o War line as well as Speak John, and Buckpasser, so I'd say the pedigree indicates jumping should not be a problem. Post a photo. The Ack Ack and Buckpassers are lookers!
PennyG
Hmmm. Took a look at Include's sons that are standing. Check out the pedigree on this guy:
http://www.pedigreequery.com/sir+paul+thau
Out of a Raja Baba mare! The pic on PQ looks like it might be his yearling sales shot from OBS. Could be very interesting as an event horse sire. Only a few foals on the ground--2 in 2010, 1 in 2012 and no report of mares bred in yet this year.
Tom Fool was also a very good runner and considered one of the most beautiful horses ever from a conformation point of view..I like that mares pedigree alot.
With all the doofy warmblood names out there, you pick on Ack Ack?
OK. So it might be a silly name.
But I always look for his grandsire Armageddon in a pedigree, especially crossed with Turn-To because almost every TB I've seen with those two have had long race careers, and to me it shows extraordinary soundness.
Oh - and Ack Ack had a descendant racing around here (Pennsylvania) in the past decade or so, called Ack Ack Ack.
Just can't get enough of those Acks . . .