It might violate a number of laws if male organs are exposed in a "female only" environment.
It might violate a number of laws if male organs are exposed in a "female only" environment.
Transvestites are normally gay men, that enjoy dressing as women. Some straight men will dress as women for "drag clubs", and are often referred to as transvestites, when they are actually crossdressing.
A Transgender person is one who feels like they were born the wrong physical sex. They truly feel like the genitalia they see when they look down, is wrong. They hate when people refer to them by the sex that is physically there because it isn't who they see themself as. Many realize at a young age they aren't like other kids, and find that they are uncomfortable in their body, and align themself with the other gender. It really has nothing to do with sex or sexual attraction. There can be trangender people who in their bodies that they have from birth are attracted to the opposite sex, yet when they get a sex change, are now gay because of that. (ie, a man that feels he is a woman, is attracted to women. Gets a sex change and now is considered gay, because she is still attracted to women. Or a man feels he is a woman, and is attracted to men. Yet he isn;t gay, in his mind, because he really feels that his gender is female. If he gets a sex change, he becomes a woman, who is attracted to men.) There have been men that are TG that have cut off their own genitals, becuase they can't stand having these "alien things" there that don't belong. And women that have cut off their own breasts, because they don't belong to them and who they see themself as.
Being TG is horrific for most people that are born that way, and has a high incidence of alchoholism and suicide. Being gay nowadays, is pretty much accepted, but even gay people make fun of TG people. I find that horrific.
persons without penises can and do commit sexual offenses against young girls.Quote:
This instance highlights that this man has the equipment to commit a sexual offense against a young girl. HE doesn't belong in the woman's room, locker, showers etc until he IS a woman.
This isn't about pedophilia, or rape, or even inappropriate sexual conduct, because the transgender person didn't do any of that; all s/he did was wear a penis in the women's locker room.
I guess the solution is to clarify the signs on the doors: Penis Locker Room and Non Penis Locker Room instead of the more vague men/women.
Traekener and others not understanding TG people- imagine if you were in an accident, and your genitals and other seconadary sex characteristics were suddenly gone. If you woke up in the hospital room, what gender do you know you are? You KNOW in your mind if you are male or female. It's the same with TG people, but their exterior doesn't match what they are. It has nothing to do with sex or who they are attracted to. It's who they ARE. If a boy is born with undeveloped testes, and a small penis, it can be visually not much different than a girl baby. But when the child reaches about 4 yrs of age, they will identify themself as a male. Dressing them as a girl won't change that. They know what their gender is.
If, in fact, Colleen was openly naked in the sauna, it would have been appropriate for an adult to ask that they use a towel to show some modesty. I don't want to see exposed genitals laying around in a sauna/locker room for any length of time, and it's just being considerate of others not to just "hang out".
Ahhh Nasal, you are one of the reasons I don't eat or drink near a computer!
As I said before, we talk about gays/gay rights/gay marriage etc etc in a very open and accepting way in our house. This issue really has nothing to do with being gay or transgendered for me.
In the communal women's locker room at my boathouse, I am quite sure the high schooler girls would be much less traumatized by seeing a penis than they are by seeing our middle-aged female bodies and knowing this is what time, life and gravity will do to them someday :lol:
And the height of idiocy is to put the Team in the Smaller room and leave the large locker room to the solo Mr. Francis. Uh-uh, buddy.
Well, in response to the coed locker room comment, has anyone ever been to Europe? Things are coed naked all the time over there.
By way of example: when I was in Europe with my parents one year we went to the Friedrichsbad in Baden-Baden. Basically it is this whole huge building with several different pools and massage tables and saunas and steam baths and you follow along and go from station to station.
It's coed naked.
From age 14 on up.
(And also completely awesome.)
Awesome because of the nakedness? Or because of the activities? Sorry, I couldn't help it. lol.
I don't know many men who'd put themselves through boob-growing hormone treatment just to ogle some girls.
ETA: There is homosexuality in dolphins, rams, primates, all KINDS of animals. Do you think these animals are exhibiting homosexual tendencies because it makes them the cool animal on the block? It's biological, it's in their genes. It's WHO THEY ARE. It boggles my mind that people think that some people throw back the covers and say "Hey, I'm going to be gay today and see how many people ridicule me and beat me up!"
Coanteen, thanks for the clarification. I couldn't see the video, only the photo in the first link and that had no mention of therapy.
That still doesn't explain why the swim team was relegated to the smaller locker room.
I was at a pony club rating once. It was at a really lovely public facility with indoor (separate) restrooms for men & women. I was walking by when a little girl ran past me in the hall and I thought she looked a little odd. As I walked on, a man in his 40s, whom I knew personally and who had come to the rating with the divorced father of one of the girls, came out of the Ladies Room. He went in there "just because." Both rooms had urinals inside. Of course he couldn't know that until he went in. IOW, he was in there when this little girl walked in. She turned right around and ran out. I remonstrated with him, saying, use the Men's Room. Because he was gay he felt it was no problem at all that he'd be peeing in front of little girls. Did I think he would ever hurt a child? No, never. Do I think he's a complete ***hole of a human being? Yes. What he did was wrong.
I have little concerns about transgendered people visiting their new gender's washrooms or locker-room showering facilities.
I do have concerns about predators who try to PRETEND they're transgendered and enter the bathrooms opportunistically on the prowl for their next prey. Specifically, a male predator, for example, enters the women's washroom pretending to be a transgendered female... or alternatively, a predator specifically looking to prey on a transgendered individual simply because they have a deep rage about this.
It's a very real issue and in Canada they're discussing this very issue. It seems that what is up on the table now is whether or not to make it the law to require a separate bathrooms for transgendered people in public places and how to keep them safe for the transgendered individuals, whether there be both new male and female washrooms or one-room lockable private washrooms, only because of the worry of predators - NOT calling transgendered people predators, but rather talking about the violent sociopaths who prey on not only women and both sexes of children, but also prey on transgendered individuals too. Safety is a very big and real issue here for all concerned.
It's a very tough situation. Nobody wants to make life even more difficult for the individual going through the transgender process, but safety is also a priority for these people since they are increasingly a new target.
Predators are very opportunistic. They take every opportunity available.
Sorry- regarding parents not wanting their kids to see naked adults because their kids under 18 y shouldn't be "forced" to be exposed to sex at what 8, 11, 15...IMHO my pediatric patients know very well about sex (because I speak to them as their medical provider about it, age- and development obv considered), genitals, and identity and are much more aware than most parents realize. I also speak to the parents about it, I also speak to my adolescent, adult and geriatric patients about it. I ask them questions, give answers and make sure they aren't hurting anyone, are either having "safe sex with the same sex" (as a queer mom said to me in front of her bidaughter) or having safe sex, period....with any appendage, part, genital, you name it. Your children may be shy, but I see 2yos who can work iPads. What makes you think your child, tween or teen has googled "boobs" or "penis"? Let me tell you, they have, they tell me that b/c I'm nice ;) AND furthermore, i tell them it's normal to want to know about our bodies....just that I old prefer they talk about it with their parents because it's important to be honest and ask questions when we don't know the answers. Because in 2012, it's normal growth and development. Sorry.
And btw, I'm young (er), didn't stare at nekid people when I showered in a gym locker room and now I see all parts, every where, all day long, all shapes, sizes, colors, and blends. It's a human body. We are human beings who are all created equal as babies-- sadly, that changes as adults when fear, ignorance and other things creep in.
*off the soap box now :)
If the swim team has an issue with that, then the swim team can bugger off to the smaller change room.
As a bonus this will also satisfy all those people who say minors shouldn't be "forced" to see any adult genitalia, be they male or female.
The university should make covering up your crotch or wearing a swimsuit in the sauna mandatory IMO. It's a multi-use university facility, it probably only gets cleaned once daily. That they don't even make sitting on a towel mandatory gives me the heebie jeebies, and it's got nothing to do with penii.
Exactly! I don't want to sit down on a wooden bench that's likely filled with moisture and has been sat on by tons of nekkid people. That's just unhygenic and gross. Towels are plentiful in gyms and saunas for a reason!!