Sure sounds like it.
Plus...when I checked earlier today, there were only a bit less than $300 donated to date. I don't remember the exact amount but I was a bit, what, unsettled about how little has been donated. I wonder if she thought the money would roll in...doesn't seem to be the case here....so who's footing the bill for feed, trim jobs and geldings?
If your only definition of help is "stepping up" to take on another horse that you don't even want/need, that's a fruitbatting lot to ask from anyone. But the community coming together and chipping in for the vet to euth the old horse, or even for sedated footcare, could have been a possibility. I've seen it happen here multiple times.
If help was asked for early enough, help with spreading the word about the horses for sale could've happeend, and advice about lowering their prices or just giving them away (although in one link somewhere in this long thread CCH was advised in another forum to lower prices and was quite resistant because precious bloodlines, so maybe that would've fallen on deaf ears; the $1-whatever pricing was more recent).
As to the rescue having the horses now - it depends on the state. In Texas, the first step is a civil hearing to determine if the horses are neglected and remove the horses from the owner if they are. There is now an appeal process, but the entire thing from seizure to end of appeals can take 35 days max. This is stressful when you are getting ready for court and have little time (especially if you have a lot of horses - because I put together a pretty comprehensive case notebook with a file and report on each horse). HOWEVER it also means we're not stuck holding horses for months and incurring bills. And it means the owner is not stuck with his/her horses in limbo and running up bills for months. If he/she is going to get his/her horses back, it won't be many months later.
After the civil process is over, the county can then decide to also press criminal charges. However the horses at that point have already been legally 'disposed' of - either euthanized, sent to auction or sent to a rescue.
I don't know the law in Nevada, but they could have a similar process which would explain why the horses had been surrendered/signed over to the rescue.
I don't think you can make assumptions that no one on COTH will help her out based on a couple of sentences per horse of information.
When newer rescuers go ahead and help with a seizure thinking the money will come to cover the costs, I cringe. And when a new rescue with little experience jumps into a big case like this... I cringe even more. *sigh*
I cringe about this *ahem* rescue also. From my personal experience in rescuing, I am cringing also....
You add in the increasing cost of hay and grain for our horses and the economic situation, and fewer people can afford to donate.
At BEHS, we don't often publicize the small cases anymore - aside from posting on FB. I don't want to burn people out in the public so that they refuse to help when we really need help on a big case. We also won't take horses in if we don't have the space or funds for them. We WILL publicize bigger cases as the donations that come in do help with the costs, and if we don't deplete our savings we can help with the next case. But we won't be helping with the 50 and 75+ horse cases other than offering our knowledge, maybe helping with trailering, etc. We don't have that kind of space ...
I'm sorry I just don't think it's physically possible. You have no business owning and breeding that number of horses without being able to afford staff to properly care for them and a trainer to make them nice riding horses.
By her own admission, she was not capable of training them. I mean come on, it doesn't sound like the most basic training such as being halter broke was done on them. What person in their right mind thinks a bunch of wild beasts thrown out in a field are going to be worth anything, particularly in today's market?
Admittedly, most of them did not look THAT bad, but it was only bound to go downhill from there.
That is my experience as well. I do not run a rescue, but I have volunteered with a few. They had to turn down big seizures – because it was not in their budget! – It is NOT a money maker. They would promote the horses, and do what they could to get the word out, but were wise enough to know, taking on a large number of horses, even with TV coverage is NOT a way to balance the books.
A large number of horses is a huge financial liability – as CCH knows all too well.
I do REALLY need to reduce the numbers and I do have a plan. I don't have a phone with a camera, my daughter is a talented photographer and knows how to upload photos. I don't. So I'm sorry, but pictures should be up tomorrow or Sunday. There is a lot of family drama here that isn't appropriate for this thread. Maybe next Off Topic day if anybody's interested. But suffice it to say, I'm the only one who gives a rat's hiney about these horses and I'm fighting an uphill battle.
So while I need to move these horses as soon as I can, I'm not under a hard and fast deadline. I promise pictures will be forthcoming.
Why does your bat-shit bi-polar brother get a say in this, may I ask?
Uh-oh. Seems there might be some trouble betwixt a lady who owns a trailer and the *ahem* rescue. Check out FB page before it's deleted. The other similar msg was deleted.
Yeah, why DOES your crazy brother have a say in all this?? Don't get in the car with him again. Take your own transportation from now on. Seriously.
anyone have a link to the crazy FB drama? Can't seem to find it...............