To just say in all situations that you can't just "rest them a year" or let them take a year off" is phooey. It can be done, and it is done all the time. It may not be the best decision for all mares, but nor is breeding every year for all mares.
This thread as of now (August 29th) has 199,935 views!
Keep spreading the word!
Poster says (about Pop Tart): "Really cute mare! But, I too have seen her ad. Um, isn't she "broodmare only" because of OCD surgery? Last time I checked, OCD is incredibly hereditary. I don't know if I'd want to buy a foal out of a mare who had OCD so bad that the surgery left her permanently unsound..."
Gray Fox Farms replies: "She doesn't have OCD. There is a reason why your not supposed to xray warmblood yearlings. I had her vetted with xrays and my vet looked at the old xrays also. Many vets don't understand that and I guess you don't either. She is also sound. "
OH. MY. GOD. Someone just alerted me to this thread - I am the OP from the other COTH JILL BURNELL GRAY FOX FARM thread back in February. My mare (thanks to GREAT people from this board) was rescued, complete with police escort from Jill's farm..... it makes me sick to my stomach that the mare was so close to a "dead-chickens-in-the-tub" sub-par existance. WOW.
So call me crazy, but what if she is breeding mares that aren't listed on the website, advertising the foals coming from the "nice" mares you see on the site, which I have read some don't exist on her farm. The foals have to come from a mare. It wouldn't surprise me after all the stories I have seen.
Basically pulling a bait and switch... Has every mare on the website been accounted for on her property?
Also California has really good anti-cruelty laws, has anyone called the local animal control out to her property?
Obie- very happy to hear you have your mare back!!
Does the 200,000 th viewer get a prize? A nice toaster perhaps? I was gonna say a free breeding, but figured I will get another PM for that... :)
2006,the year Grand Affair retired the Upperville Posh Trophy she almost died. Her resilience and strength was never so evident then when she won the broodmare championship an unprecedented fourth time just four months after her hospitization. She was never to be the same again. She physically can't sustain year after year pregnancies... That's why I am so concerned. She deserved a year off and should be given a Well Earned Rest.
Sadly TWF, I think it is unlikely she will be given a year off based on the "puppy mill" mentality there. I think the only way that will happen is if she doesn't get pregnant or doesn't stay pregnant. They are just "walking uteri" to JB. I don't think there is any emotion attached at all. :no:
"grayfox has been on this forum for a while now and been in the breeding business for years. never once have i ever heard anything negative about her or her operation. just the opposite, i constantly hear/read great things about her and her breeding operation."
"I highly doubt that greyfox would buy a horse that could pass on a condition to use as a broodmare."
because we all know that grayfox knows what the heck she is doing and wouldn't have gotten to where she is today if she didn't
"questioning the average horse owner like most of the members on this forum is very different from questioning a well known and respected breeder"
"unlike many people on this forum i suspect Jill has a life and devotes more of her time to the actual care of her horses and her business than she does to this forum."
AND, even after it is proven that JB lied through her teeth about the OCD surgery, people then get behind her and explain why it is ok to breed a horse who has had OCD surgery.
Does anyone have a membership on that board? might be good to update that old thread with a link to this one as a gift from the COTH meanies. :rolleyes:
Or all the other things she lies about...:no:
Also noticed that the "warning" entries on Gray Fox Farm FB page are gone. Can anyone confirm that??
I too read that entire thread on "TOB" and was amazed how they jumped all over anyone who dared to "question the great GFF!!" But just like the Wizzard of Oz, once you pull back the curtain, the truth is revealled....:no:
We own a vBulletin forum (which is what COTH is). Not 100% sure, but I think that when counting views to a thread, vBulletin recognizes return viewers and will not register them in the viewer count for some period of time (maybe 5 days, something like that). So the 205,000 views to this thread are roughly 205, 000 distinct individuals who have seen this thread. That, in and of itself, is amazing. Reading sketchers post above, in the context of what appears to be true, makes me cringe. Unless all those supportive comments were simply alters, it seems that the public perception of GFF did not even remotely match reality. In many ways it is refreshing that so many people here got involved to say, “Enough already! We will not be silent any more about what is going on.” I think that took a lot of courage… especially early on when the tide seemed to be so against them. Kudos to all of you. :yes: At the very least, roughly 200,000 people are aware of what is going on.
I just wanted to chime in in support of people coming forward and making these posts. If it were not for the "Pop Tart" thread I probably would have ended up with a baby from her. I have a beautiful Redwine filly that I ended up buying from a breeder here on COTH. When I read that thread I knew immediately something was up with her program. This was 2010 and I was going to buy the "All the Above" foal inutero. When I talked to Jill, I asked her what she thought about the different crosses and what she felt the mares were going to produce, etc. I have talked to many dog and horse breeders who are excited to talk about their what they are breeding and give an incredible amount of information. She was completely laxidasical in her answers. That was my second flag. So in short, I am so glad I didn't deal with her directly. I know my filly came from a great place with a breeder that takes fantastic care of her horses. I wasn't worried at all from the time she hit the ground. Keep it up. I hope she gets what she deserves.
I'm amazed that Jill Burnell hasnt blocked everyone from posting on her facebook page Gray Fox Farm. How does she keep up?